From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu May 11 17:11:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90497 invoked from network); 12 May 2006 00:11:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2006 00:11:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2006 00:11:22 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FeLF1-0004iK-04 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:10:47 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FeLEE-0004Vi-D1; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:10:01 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 11 May 2006 17:09:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FeLDn-0004Ih-7I for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:09:31 -0700 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.227]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FeLDi-0004Er-3o for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:09:31 -0700 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 67so506634wri for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:09:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.66.2 with SMTP id o2mr1545590wra; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.126.17 with HTTP; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560605111709w1198a046n52838e84ee0fcc1c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:09:24 -0300 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560605101635x1702203cu13e8397e3ee956ea@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605101754ibf2c8k435cb516bfee8b32@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605101920o84917e4t99c4dc0b2b9d9b6c@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605110956u4dd0b662xffdce093966219b6@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11498 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Usage of lo and le X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=D50OgzvbRmgEK7kI2xsIZOEdEUjuI46bMv6E-8ZmTcWO7EwUbA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25915 On 5/11/06, Maxim Katcharov wrote: > On 5/11/06, Jorge Llambías wrote: > > > > Then use {lo ro cribe}, that refers to all bears. > > > By your definition, this means "all" in context (or "all in context", > I really can't tell the difference). The former. Context is unavoidable. The bears don't have to be present in any sense in the context. Examples: "Being the largest of all bears the polar bear can measure up to nine feet long." lo bercribe no'u lo brarai be lo ro cribe cu jmagutci li su'e so lo ka clani "All bears killed by people must be accounted for under the quota" bilga lo lo ro cribe poi se catra lo prenu cu se kacyvau lo selcrulai > > In most of these cases the referent of "all bears" seems to be kinds. That > > Kinds? (The only thing popping into my head is "of species x2") See the polar bear example, for instance. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.