From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri May 12 06:43:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23257 invoked from network); 12 May 2006 13:43:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2006 13:43:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2006 13:43:25 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FeXvL-00031i-4d for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 12 May 2006 06:43:19 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FeXuW-00031G-5E; Fri, 12 May 2006 06:42:31 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 12 May 2006 06:42:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FeXu3-00030z-6f for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 06:41:59 -0700 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.233]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FeXtz-00030q-Fe for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 06:41:59 -0700 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 67so611476wri for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 06:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.82.15 with SMTP id f15mr2356380wrb; Fri, 12 May 2006 06:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.126.17 with HTTP; Fri, 12 May 2006 06:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560605120641y12e1cfb7ydb80fad3d465bb1a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:41:54 -0300 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560605101920o84917e4t99c4dc0b2b9d9b6c@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605110956u4dd0b662xffdce093966219b6@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605111709w1198a046n52838e84ee0fcc1c@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605111827s5c1ee336u524d2a08555bd739@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11513 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Usage of lo and le X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=QAW8WuaioBjIlt4iX0bJLjOAEPfFe07nXyyOIqiG3y3cPVvccQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25929 On 5/11/06, Maxim Katcharov wrote: > > We're sitting in a room filled with bears, which is in a zoo filled > with bears, in a forest filled with bears - whatever. We've been > talking about the bears in the zoo for the past hour - their past, > their future, bears that we may own, whatever. Suddenly, I want to > talk about "all bears that have ever existed": > > {e'u mi'o casnu lo ro cribe poi pu ja ca zasti} > > This suggests that, of the "bears that can be relevantly said to be > bears" (the ones in the zoo only, for some reason), I want to talk > about the ones that do exist or have existed. How do I express my "all > bears", that is, "all bears that have, will, currently exist, in the > imagination, hypothetically, or otherwise", that is "X such that are > bears". For example: lo ro cribe poi zasti ja xanri gi'e nenri ja bartu le dalpanka Or translate even more of your English paragraph. You can do it in Lojban in the same or a similar way that you are doing it in English. It's not something that comes up very often, so in my opinion it is not a good idea to waste a short expresion for it. > What's the difference between those "in context", and those > "relevantly said to be"? >>From dictionary.com: con·text 1. The part of a text or statement that surrounds a particular word or passage and determines its meaning. 2. The circumstances in which an event occurs; a setting. " 'All bears' in context " uses sense 1 of "context". "All bears in context" uses sense 2 of "context". mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.