From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed May 10 17:42:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66187 invoked from network); 11 May 2006 00:42:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2006 00:42:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2006 00:42:56 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FdzGT-0004yM-Lk for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:42:49 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FdzFM-0004xk-6R; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:41:42 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 10 May 2006 17:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FdzEv-0004xW-Bn for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:41:13 -0700 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com ([64.233.162.196]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FdzEt-0004xO-Fd for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:41:13 -0700 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id n29so52788nzf for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:41:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.120.14 with SMTP id s14mr274662nzc; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:41:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.153.14 with HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:41:10 -0600 In-Reply-To: <925d17560605101635x1702203cu13e8397e3ee956ea@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060509160830.76878.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <925d17560605091911q49d9049fk74d621c05ae2a62f@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605100646o576097b7n1eb81fa3d7c681df@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605101536r3efb57c0re1125ff3301a3403@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605101635x1702203cu13e8397e3ee956ea@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11470 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: maxim.katcharov@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Maxim Katcharov" From: "Maxim Katcharov" Reply-To: maxim.katcharov@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Usage of lo and le X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=tgAw4TBaxCBdFnO-mfT1omjAKyj-7QzfHZDt7juaap8N6SxaXA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25887 On 5/10/06, Jorge Llambías wrote: > On 5/10/06, Maxim Katcharov wrote: > > On 5/10/06, Jorge Llambías wrote: > > > > I hope I never said that was my definition. It is not. {ro} is just "all", > > > not "all in context". > > > > > You had stated: > > > > > Well, for me {lo ro cribe} simply refers to all bears, (whatever > > > "all bears" is in the context), > > That's right. Do you see the difference between "all in context" > and "all" in context? I need the context to figure out what "all" > quantifies, which in general won't be necessarily restricted to the > things present in the context. No, I see no difference. If you make this inner "all" open to interpretation, then you have no way to be absolutely specific regarding meaning "all ever", or ("all bears ever who are climbers of this *pats a tree* ever, within 5 minutes backwards and forwards of right... now.") To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.