Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12868 invoked from network); 9 May 2006 15:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2006 15:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2006 15:13:56 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FdTuJ-0004nW-Am for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 09 May 2006 08:13:51 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FdTso-0004l6-O3; Tue, 09 May 2006 08:12:22 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 09 May 2006 08:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FdTsP-0004kC-0k for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 09 May 2006 08:11:53 -0700 Received: from eastrmmtao01.cox.net ([68.230.240.38]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FdTsL-0004jz-2j for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 09 May 2006 08:11:52 -0700 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [24.250.99.39]) by eastrmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060509151147.NUCM17255.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 11:11:47 -0400 Message-ID: <4460B11A.6000300@lojban.org> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 11:11:22 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060508152918.17862.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <366115241.20060509075751@mail.ru> <446039DA.40909@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11448 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Bob LeChevalier From: Bob LeChevalier Reply-To: lojbab@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban Scholasticism X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=1ZDWZQMQ3Z0qfs_Qwd7lV8MmHgusiszJLDbL0J28i2281pHdUw X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25865 Content-Length: 1673 Lines: 40 Matt Arnold wrote: > On 5/9/06, Paul Vigo wrote: > >> If someone with more skills than me wanted to attack any of the cc >> licensed texts online then at least we may have something longer than >> aesops fables to read. Cory Doctorow has a few books available. hmmm. > > > I'm one of Cory's biggest fans. In fact I invited him to be Guest of > Honor at a convention I helped to run in 2005. His works are some of > my favorites. But I hesitate to translate them into Lojban. They're > too long and they contain a lot of jargon and neologisms for which > there does not exist Lojban vocabulary. I think that is part of the problem. People want to jump from Aesop's fables, which are a paragraph long, without a standard text so that people feel more free to take liberties with the wording, and then jump to novels of great length, often loaded with the sorts of odd uses of language that would tend to attract Lojbanists (no insult intended to the Alice translators). Athelstan was wise in tackling a Saki short story 16 years ago. There are plenty of these, they are only a few pages long so they can be translated much more quickly than a novel, and they are short enough that a lot of relatively novice Lojbanists would be inclined to try to read the text (I don't expect that there will be much market for the Lojban translations of "War and Peace" or "Les Miserables" for a good while). lojbab To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.