From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed May 10 15:37:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67321 invoked from network); 10 May 2006 22:37:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2006 22:37:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 22:37:31 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FdxJA-0002Dc-Ot for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:37:28 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FdxIT-0002DE-ND; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:36:47 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 10 May 2006 15:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FdxI1-0002D0-LG for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:36:17 -0700 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.229]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FdxHz-0002Ct-OQ for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:36:17 -0700 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 67so260002wri for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:36:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.101.7 with SMTP id y7mr59226wrb; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:36:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.126.17 with HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:36:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560605101536r3efb57c0re1125ff3301a3403@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 19:36:13 -0300 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060509160830.76878.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <925d17560605091911q49d9049fk74d621c05ae2a62f@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605100646o576097b7n1eb81fa3d7c681df@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11467 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Usage of lo and le X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=SdixOAKYqn3XSuSoeBgbJGMwTPh4hTa51EqpOtKtLFQ42s5shg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25884 On 5/10/06, Maxim Katcharov wrote: > On 5/10/06, Jorge Llambías wrote: > > Yes, and it's easy to do in Lojban: > > {lo ro cribe poi nenri le va selri'u}, {lo ro dinju pe le mi klaji}. > > > > By your definition, "all in context":: I hope I never said that was my definition. It is not. {ro} is just "all", not "all in context". > "All in context" is a bad use for inner {ro} for these reasons. I agree it would be bad. > > I mean that the set of referents that a word brings into a discourse > > is never given by the word itself independently of the context of the > > discourse. > > > Yes, but using context to figure things out is different then refering > to the context. Right. You need context to figure out the precise referent of {lo ro cribe}, but it certainly does not normally refer to whatever bears are present in the context. > "I'm sure you know what I mean" vs. "X that is > relative to me in manner Y". Not sure what you mean by these. "I'm sure you know which one(s) I mean" is more or less what {le} means. "X that is relative to me in manner Y" is unrelated to {le} or {lo}, as far as I can see. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.