From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun May 21 18:41:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2256 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 01:41:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2006 01:41:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 01:41:38 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FhzQP-0007mr-IR for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 21 May 2006 18:41:37 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FhzOk-0007k8-Sm; Sun, 21 May 2006 18:39:56 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 21 May 2006 18:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FhzOJ-0007jx-DB for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 21 May 2006 18:39:27 -0700 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com ([64.233.162.199]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FhzOG-0007jm-Sl for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 21 May 2006 18:39:27 -0700 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id f1so1057030nzc for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 18:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.20.49 with SMTP id x49mr5375004nzi; Sun, 21 May 2006 18:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.153.14 with HTTP; Sun, 21 May 2006 18:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 19:39:23 -0600 In-Reply-To: <925d17560605211759s500cdb76kdae7425caf46c8f6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560605160731j379ecfdbo42862a88433e112c@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605200715t32c87d1dpf95ffb3023c95526@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605201618u41770ed9ob343bbe248e22606@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605210914u7d4863b7qbf4a28a5fe3e72ee@mail.gmail.com> <370394AC-290A-404D-BEC7-5466A31BC3C2@umich.edu> <925d17560605211759s500cdb76kdae7425caf46c8f6@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11653 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: maxim.katcharov@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 X-eGroups-From: "Maxim Katcharov" From: "Maxim Katcharov" Reply-To: maxim.katcharov@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: A (rather long) discussion of {all} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=Y_gcfX3u4xlYpHY7L__yn7S1NpXoq1t20oTFhNzeMz6lan7edA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 26071 On 5/21/06, Jorge Llambías wrote: > On 5/21/06, Maxim Katcharov wrote: > > > > - perhaps {ckini} > > would be the proper corresponding gismu for {pe}? {srana} seems to > > mean "x1 is about/based on the existence of x2", or "x1 is of interest > > in some way to the understanding of x2". > > CLL gives {srana} for it. I don't think {srana} is correct. If it is correct, then what do you define srana as? And what's the difference between srana and ckini? > > That's vague enough, but {ckini} is perhaps excessivley vague, since > anything is related to anything else by some relationship, so it would Yes, I agree, though perhaps if it was defined as "related to x2 in some coherent way"? > be like no restriction at all. On the other hand, the mere presence of the > sumti must pragmatically respond to some relevance, so I suppose > {ckini} should work too. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.