From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon May 22 07:48:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1154 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 14:48:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2006 14:48:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 14:48:13 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FiBeT-00082Y-Nm for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 22 May 2006 07:44:57 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FiBbB-00081I-CQ; Mon, 22 May 2006 07:41:35 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 22 May 2006 07:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FiBaj-000812-79 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 07:41:05 -0700 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.174]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FiBah-00080t-A9 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 07:41:05 -0700 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id j40so1147544ugd for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 07:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.29.13 with SMTP id c13mr1119329huc; Mon, 22 May 2006 07:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.23.12 with HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 07:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560605220741s13068772xf33abb122f9fd366@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:41:01 -0300 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560605160731j379ecfdbo42862a88433e112c@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605201618u41770ed9ob343bbe248e22606@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560605210914u7d4863b7qbf4a28a5fe3e72ee@mail.gmail.com> <370394AC-290A-404D-BEC7-5466A31BC3C2@umich.edu> <925d17560605211759s500cdb76kdae7425caf46c8f6@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 11656 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 X-eGroups-From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: A (rather long) discussion of {all} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=aey3nSUuJKtBAw54BD5IkttTAky0IGNk_lcsis-D1JodTlepNw X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 26074 On 5/21/06, Maxim Katcharov wrote: > > I don't think {srana} is correct. If it is correct, then what do you > define srana as? And what's the difference between srana and ckini? I think {srana} is "x1 is related to x2 by a relevant/pertinent relationship" as opposed to {ckini} "x1 is related to x2 by relationship x3". {ckini} is thus more general but it can also be made more precise by filling the x3. In the case of {pe}, there is no place for an explicit x3, so defining {pe X} as {poi ke'a srana X} seems like the better choice. But you could get a similar effect with {ckini} by defining it as {poi ke'a ckini X lo vajni} or something like that. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.