Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72526 invoked from network); 9 May 2006 12:45:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2006 12:45:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2006 12:45:30 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FdRaJ-0001ZK-1c for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 09 May 2006 05:45:03 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FdRXl-0001Xg-Tq; Tue, 09 May 2006 05:42:26 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 09 May 2006 05:42:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FdRXK-0001XG-1L for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 09 May 2006 05:41:58 -0700 Received: from web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.122]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FdRXI-0001X8-TL for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 09 May 2006 05:41:57 -0700 Received: (qmail 70772 invoked by uid 60001); 9 May 2006 12:41:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20060509124155.70770.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.230.152.10] by web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 May 2006 05:41:55 PDT Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 05:41:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <366115241.20060509075751@mail.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-archive-position: 11444 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban Scholasticism X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=nKoYImnpjLh30bZ-yocGJMZ9mmGnGmlQ275D03LlHCiYfgcUkw X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 25861 Content-Length: 1635 Lines: 52 There is a triple problem, alas: Lojban doesn't have the vocabulary for most of the things these "scholastic" discussions and can't seem to develop useful terms in these areas. The discussions are mainly about the correct use of expressions we would have to use to discuss them, so that, in order to claim that something was the right way to do someting, we would need to agree beforehand what that something meant. There are not enough people proficient in Lojban to carry on a conversation and most of those proficient to any level at all are not up on the sorts of things -- Linguistics, Logic, and the like -- to participate in these discussions. All of these (except maybe 2) are solvable -- and probably will be some day -- so that the ideal does seem something we can hope for. (Someone might start by translating some of the already existing english discussions into Lojban). --- Yanis Batura wrote: > If we could take all energy spent on endless > scholastic debates ABOUT Lojban IN English, and > convert it to learning OF Lojban and writing IN > Lojban, what would we have? > > - A fine corpus of Lojban literature; > - A set of good-quality Lojban textbooks for > beginners; > - Much, much more saturated jbovlaste; > - Larger number of Lojban speakers; > - Growth of Lojban community, after all. > > But alas, this conversion is not at all > possible. > > uinai To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.