From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed May 17 08:23:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23246 invoked from network); 17 May 2006 15:23:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2006 15:23:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2006 15:23:14 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FgNoe-0003Sc-UE for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 17 May 2006 08:20:01 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FgNnW-0003Qg-2N; Wed, 17 May 2006 08:18:51 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 17 May 2006 08:18:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FgNn5-0003QN-Qx for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 17 May 2006 08:18:23 -0700 Received: from web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.120]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FgNn4-0003QG-UJ for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 17 May 2006 08:18:23 -0700 Received: (qmail 39058 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2006 15:18:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20060517151821.39056.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.237.223.173] by web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2006 08:18:21 PDT Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 08:18:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-archive-position: 11585 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: A (rather long) discussion of {all} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=oLox1ZMr-xShEkRk7ouGjgVFEj6ZA_ZlS0FMzS4gHJagjIKhuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 26003 --- Maxim Katcharov wrote: > > A complete restriction is not more useful than > an incomplete > restriction when context makes the referent > overwhelmingly obvious in > the incomplete restriction. Complete > restrictions are useful for when > context is vague, like in my "2 of 10 bears in > a cage, release all > bears in the cage" example. Another example is > how you and I can't > really be sure of which of the various > interpretations of A and B's > sentences is correct. Have a look at any > contract Contracts are, alas, rather cases of one of the sort of thing I am pointing out, namely that you cannot actually cover all the cases by a simple description (or a complex one for that matter). Consider a contract between a customer and a dairy for the dairy to deliver two quarts of milk to the customer's home every Thursday. One Thursday a tiger escaped from a circus and was roamin in the area of the customer's home and attacking people. The dairy told its deliveryman not to deliver the customer's milk that day. The customer sued for breach of contract (Thursday but no milk). The court ruled for the defendant, saying that contract did not have to say "except on tiger days" for this to be an exception; tiger days just don't count as Thursdays for this contract. The ruling was affirmed on appeal. Here is as unambiguous a description as possible and yet it too is relative to some interests, which interests may not be dealt with beforehand. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.