From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jun 20 21:17:49 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fsu9j-0003Dw-Nw for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:17:31 -0700 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.186]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fsu9h-0003Dp-9X for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:17:31 -0700 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id o25so36891nfa for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:17:30 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JWXUt9AADEgsgOqKrFW/C05u1ctbeSSganeTG6+2x9GHLh3ft2+dhA/HqlMnL29nVpuoFsSwXt6tLfRS9kQHXAFt3fQIvh7J6ECbGrwLBN71EHGIIaY+r95sf5jNq69kEV4geLEejnf59C5CFW8RkRYFfiQIIIMTR6qhAdFGVJU= Received: by 10.48.144.19 with SMTP id r19mr147419nfd; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.92.1 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <737b61f30606202117h3317fc8bscc46d9d0f3fd0f3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:17:30 -0500 From: "Chris Capel" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: flashcards? In-Reply-To: <060BF299-9429-4786-9286-610B37819195@umich.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <737b61f30606202030p74723a2dtbfbeb20fb5904002@mail.gmail.com> <060BF299-9429-4786-9286-610B37819195@umich.edu> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 11811 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pdf23ds@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 6/20/06, Alex Martini wrote: > One way to implement this would be to write > many short texts that teach small bits of grammar and vocabulary but > don't depend on each other. The other way would be to write it as a > series or self contained long book that started with the native > language and ended with pure Lojban. The other way would be to substitute illustrations for the native language sections, so that they can be decoded independent of language. You have to start very simple that way, but you save work translating it to other natlangs. :-) That takes someone willing to do illustrations, or a series of illustrations from an existing children's book series that has amenable terms of use. I read about this being done with Russian. Some teacher had a long story, and read aloud for about 20 minutes a day to a Kindergarten class. By the end of the year they were able to hold basic conversations in Russian. If we could find an existing reader like this, we could probably get some hints about how to provide enough context clues to introduce new words without explicit explanation, and about what pace can be achieved. But I'm sure there are other techniques, too, and I'd like to hear about those from anyone who nose. Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet) To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.