From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Jun 29 12:44:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19827 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 19:17:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2006 19:17:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 19:17:22 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fw1uS-00040r-JE for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:10:40 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fw1t0-0003ya-V6; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:09:13 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fw1sW-0003yQ-BG for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:08:40 -0700 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.191]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fw1sT-0003yF-0U for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:08:40 -0700 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id o60so117685nfa for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.231.6 with SMTP id d6mr1863293nfh; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.92.1 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <737b61f30606291208u116ab072i7d77bc064d346a93@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:08:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 11852 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pdf23ds@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Chris Capel" From: "Chris Capel" Reply-To: pdf23ds@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] do jbopre speak slowly? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=KylSxwGR5csMsgidHb9IG4mt_eORdozUFiY3k_PEOctQmiFQcA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 26277 Lojban seems to pack more information into individual phonemes than do languges like English. (Compare the number and frequency of one syllable words in the two languages.) Thus, it seems like speaking Lojban at the same speed and (lack of) clarity as one speaks English would probably make it difficult to understand the Lojban. So, in order to keep communication errors down, does this suggest that Lojban speakers would naturally, probably unconciously, learn to speak phonemes more slowly and clearly than do English speakers? Now, even if this were the case, it probably wouldn't *sound* like it, because the rate of Shannon-information transfer would probably be about the same, and that's probably what determines how "fast" speech sounds to a fluent listener. But measured in phonemes/sec, it would be slower. Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet) To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.