From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Jun 20 17:31:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92994 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2006 00:31:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2006 00:31:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2006 00:31:48 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FsqdC-0007is-Of for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:31:42 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fsqb4-0007hl-N3; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:29:32 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:29:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fsqaa-0007hW-DE for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:29:00 -0700 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.190]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FsqaV-0007hL-Px for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:29:00 -0700 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id o25so20639nfa for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.19.14 with SMTP id w14mr38289nfi; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.92.1 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <737b61f30606201728k44a7a221j1087b99b519dab0a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:28:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <446DD7B7.2070705@kli.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 11807 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pdf23ds@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Chris Capel" From: "Chris Capel" Reply-To: pdf23ds@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: What does "anyway" mean anyway? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=XZU-acc5UQBcBx6aR-WczmaLW4bqr58m6H5h6IMJ2K14zHo_sA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 26230 > On 5/19/06, Mark E. Shoulson wrote: > > Hmm... Were I to translate this into Hebrew, I would use a word that > > means something like "at all". Maybe the meaning is "whose line is it, > > if it's anyone's at all." Consider that "anyway" added to a yes/no > > question doesn't do this: "is he coming anyway?" is a normal question > > with "anyway" modifying the conditions under which he might come. So > > maybe there's something like "is this question really even valid to > > start with? Should you be answering it with {na'i}?" I'm not sure how you would translate it, but I think I can take a stab at defining the idiom. It's a conversational marker used to indicate that the expression it attaches to applies across distinctions or specifics that were earlier being considered. For instance, if I'm trying to decide what I want to do today, and I think up three different activities, and all of a sudden I realize "Oh, I don't know where my wife is", then I'm going to wonder "Where is she, anyway?" because that knowledge will affect my plans in any case. In the title, "Whose line is it, anyway?", the prior specifics would be whatever question about intonation or script or blocking or motivation that was just being discussed, and the "anyway" would indicate that that discussion is over and the rehearsal is moving on. Actually, trash that. It seems inadequate. Here's another theory: "anyway" is a discursive that indicates a change of subject, where the new subject is somehow more important than the old one. Perhaps the new subject is wider or more general (and thus potentially makes the old subject irrelevant), or more concrete, or having more to do with present circumstances ("Anyway, should we get lunch?"), or related to a subject earlier (and by implication more primary) in the conversation, than with whatever abstractions were just being discussed or contemplated. Yeah, that sounds right. On 5/19/06, Theodore Reed wrote: > "Is he coming anyway?" indicates to me that there are adverse conditions for > his coming, and the questioner wants to know if he will come despite the > conditions. This interpretation doesn't seem to work with the "Whose Line" > bit, however. I think this is a separate sense of "anyway", and would be listed separately in a dictionary that actually defined it well. Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet) To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.