From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Jun 28 11:31:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48695 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2006 18:30:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2006 18:30:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2006 18:30:51 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FvekZ-0001lx-J1 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:26:55 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fvej9-0001l9-Qy; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:25:28 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:25:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fveii-0001kg-6k for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:25:00 -0700 Received: from mx27.mail.ru ([194.67.23.63]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fveih-0001kU-28 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:25:00 -0700 Received: from [84.204.201.250] (port=26881 helo=[10.15.28.10]) by mx27.mail.ru with asmtp id 1Fveie-0004y4-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:24:56 +0400 Message-ID: <44A2C9D1.1000807@mail.ru> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:26:25 +0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-archive-position: 11847 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ratson@mail.ru X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Dmitry From: Dmitry Reply-To: ratson@mail.ru Subject: [lojban] Once again about le and lo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=Sh1ipAZagKDwAQzU8GejOtM47jdtCyabrC9UM5j6bDs5yhArhA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 26272 Please help me to check myself. Assume following two utterances: 1) .i lo ratcu cu citka le cirla 2) .i le ratcu cu citka le cirla .ije ra ratcu Are (1) and (2) equivalent? Actually, before writing the message I thought that they are. But now, I think it is not so, because of implicit quantifiers. Now consider following utterance 3) .i su'o lo ratcu cu citka le cirla Is it equivalent to (2)? I believe, it should. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.