From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Jun 08 08:34:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23628 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 15:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2006 15:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 15:34:56 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FoMWP-0001LT-3Z for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:34:09 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FoMVh-0001Ku-Jq; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:33:28 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FoMVG-0001Kd-Lm for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:32:58 -0700 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.224]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FoMVD-0001KS-EL for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:32:58 -0700 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i5so631290wra for ; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.152.9 with SMTP id e9mr1864790qbo; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.237.19 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 08:32:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560606080832j516fc7c9g7783a394f3d1074a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:32:53 -0300 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060606175408.36256.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <925d17560606071637u1dfabac7n6e3551086a616f58@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560606080643r55da8773gd4fad0bdac0c505a@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11766 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0 X-eGroups-From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: A (rather long) discussion of {all} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=GiAkSzh0EXYCf2cqgHPJYn_dEUtC7K1OwVvtBZTsYzXP1JneYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 26187 On 6/8/06, Maxim Katcharov wrote: > On 6/8/06, Jorge Llambías wrote: > > > The building is surrounded by students and professors together. Then: > > > > loi tadni cu sruri le dinju > > Students surround the building. > > > > is false. > > No, true. Are you sure? Is "Alice surrounds the building" true? Is "Alice and Betty surround the building" true? Suppose Alice and Betty are the only students in the group, and the rest of the people surrounding the building are professors, is "Students surround the building" true? > > {gunma} does mean "consists of". But even if you think {gunma} means > > something else, the predicate that you need to make your expansion > > of {loi} is one that means "x1 consists of x2", not one that means > > "x1 has component x2" > > Ah. No, I don't need it to make my expansion. I think you do. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.