From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Jun 26 14:43:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20582 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2006 21:43:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2006 21:43:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2006 21:43:03 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FuyrB-0000BS-La for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:42:57 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FuypG-0000AF-FX; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:41:03 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fuyoo-00009z-8Y for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:40:30 -0700 Received: from mxsf18.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.218]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fuyol-00009q-S0 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:40:30 -0700 Received: from mxip34a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip34a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.249]) by mxsf18.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5QLePfc016730 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:40:25 -0400 Received: from 24-247-28-251.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com (HELO [192.168.123.137]) ([24.247.28.251]) by mxip34a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 26 Jun 2006 17:40:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <449F7383.1070209@gmail.com> References: <737b61f30606202030p74723a2dtbfbeb20fb5904002@mail.gmail.com> <737b61f30606202131m29311ab9md30f37ca320ae52c@mail.gmail.com> <737b61f30606211550i24387f0fv7dfca878dfd8e630@mail.gmail.com> <96B70796-7396-494B-B1F6-0ED1E22E3A09@umich.edu> <737b61f30606221159t50b40646r5314bdd97f933ec@mail.gmail.com> <449F7383.1070209@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <90CBADBD-5396-40F6-BFCC-1846545BD8F9@umich.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:40:26 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11829 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: alexjm@umich.edu X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Alex Martini From: Alex Martini Reply-To: alexjm@umich.edu Subject: [lojban] Re: flashcards? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=VEVddFB6sw-OGKqxlBh5aPcHiJh-GQTDgau-VJyzGLLctsgZ5w X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 26252 On Jun 26, 2006, at 1:41 AM, Paul Vigo wrote: > Chris Capel wrote: > > [ li'o ] > > When reading the larger the number of words you don't know or are > unfamiliar with, the more likely you are to lose comprehension. I > used to teach remedial english (particularly to dyslexics) and > learned a few things about language acquisition. When doing > comprehension and reading excercises and someone misreads a word, > often the problem is residual confusion from a previous unfamiliar > word in the sentence (or previous sentence). Vocabulary confusion > seems to compound with the number of novel words encountered, and > retention of novel words is reduced in proportion to this > confusion. The brain sticks to things it doesn't know, waiting for > the clarity of understanding so that it can imprint new knowledge - > when several unknowns pop up at once this process loses clarity and > learning is reduced. > > It is becuase of this property of learning that overcommitting with > a flashcard program is counterproductive, but it is also because of > this property that flashcards make a useful contribution to context > based language learning. The familiarity with vocab they provide > reduces reduces the confusion one encounters due to the use of > novel vocab and allows reading retention to be more effective. With > lojban I think this may be particularly useful as many of the gismu > are complex (place structure variations can make a familiar seeming > word suddenly novel again) and many look pretty much the same > (cvccv / ccvcv) so are easy to confuse with other gismu when > unfamiliar. > > Anyway I've probably ranted too much about this subject. It's > starting to feel off topic. > > pavig > On the topic of gismu looking simmilar, how much work would be involved in making a list of gismu that only differ by vowels? I've found a few pairs like {ciska} and {cusku} that I repeatedly have to look up to keep apart, but I'm not sure how many there are total. mu'omi'e .alex. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.