From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Jun 28 15:09:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81643 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2006 22:04:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2006 22:04:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2006 22:04:16 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fvi88-0004lc-Bn for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:03:28 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fvi6o-0004SH-Vx; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:02:08 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fvi6N-0004S7-Cw for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:01:39 -0700 Received: from web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.119]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fvi6M-0004Rz-2R for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:01:39 -0700 Received: (qmail 22539 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jun 2006 22:01:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20060628220136.22537.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.237.230.116] by web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:01:36 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:01:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <737b61f30606281242y68b8291fh2fa172f439b268c5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-archive-position: 11850 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: plural markers? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=_Aj2V-bzdivoEMzmbrHTJIHs6iLSLuH_s_jPmWSOlDt3OeT_tg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 26275 Sometimes it is not a bad idea to put in a tense or modal. I took it as {ta'e} or some such, since I couldn't find it either. Maybe he has just come to this point of view. In any case, I welcome another piece of evidence that the plural "problem" is going away. --- Chris Capel wrote: > Funny. I interpreted him as saying {mi ta'e cusku} or {mi na'o cusku}, > as opposed to {mi pu cusku}. As in, "Yeah, I've been saying the same > thing", not "I said that earlier." (And looking back, I don't see > where he did.) > > On 6/28/06, John E Clifford wrote: > > Sorry I missed it. It is a fundamental point about Lojban, which gets missed in our > Anglocentric > > fondness for marked number. > > > > --- HeliodoR wrote: > > > > > > So -- context permitting -- the best plural is just the form without > > > internal quantifiers at all. > > > > > > mi cusku lo mintu be di'u > > > > > > > > > mi'e darves > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > > > > > > -- > "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it > like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" > -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet) > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.