From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Jun 22 12:01:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91881 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2006 19:01:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2006 19:01:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2006 19:01:45 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FtUQp-000172-Iu for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:01:35 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FtUPH-00015S-B9; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:00:05 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FtUOo-00015J-W9 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:59:31 -0700 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.184]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FtUOm-000159-N1 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:59:30 -0700 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id h2so299533nfe for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.143.15 with SMTP id q15mr1662061nfd; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.92.1 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <737b61f30606221159t50b40646r5314bdd97f933ec@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:59:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <737b61f30606202030p74723a2dtbfbeb20fb5904002@mail.gmail.com> <737b61f30606202131m29311ab9md30f37ca320ae52c@mail.gmail.com> <737b61f30606211550i24387f0fv7dfca878dfd8e630@mail.gmail.com> <96B70796-7396-494B-B1F6-0ED1E22E3A09@umich.edu> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 11825 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pdf23ds@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Chris Capel" From: "Chris Capel" Reply-To: pdf23ds@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: flashcards? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=nkpLjXV98XrxNmDB3a5DbymzZ1PUOOYEEPoVb5dwN2vmF91DHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 26248 On 6/22/06, pavig wrote: > The way that a leitner flash program can assist in regular language > learning. A leitner system will automatically ignore drilling you on > words you are currently using, and focus you on new vocabulary. It's worth noting that my critique was directed at sophisticated flash card systems like Leitner, Logflash, and Supermemo, which all used a spaced repetitions model of learning. > You have to own a flashcard > program or system and integrate it into the rest of your learning to > ensure you get the most out of it. Just having a program or some cards > that have words on them (without any context) and leaving it at that > is always going to be an inefficient method. Sure. > Using it properly as a > small component of a complete language learning system makes it > worthwhile. That's debatable. As I said earlier, a good flashcard program will earn you only about 15% additional retention on top of the 80% retention you have for new words introduced amidst a full context. (I.e. only about 1 of every 200-400 words is unfamiliar. Retention probably starts dropping when there are more unfamiliar words than that.) And it does take a lot of time to use. Is the 15% you gain more valuable than more time doing additional reading? Or grammar exercises? Or only reviewing trouble words? Or something else? No doubt, if you want to learn a big list of words, and you don't want to read a text that introduces them naturally and in context, a flash card method is great. But if you need to be reading that text anyway, then is the flash card a waste of time? Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet) To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.