From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Jul 07 05:54:43 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 07 Jul 2006 05:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FypqO-0008TM-DE for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 05:54:09 -0700 Received: from web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.120]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fypq9-0008Sw-QQ for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 05:53:56 -0700 Received: (qmail 30542 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jul 2006 12:53:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2lNuyZGLbQXwEEmd7Sz23tM2P7QNIqRhu9gLEJBHwQg8kxJKwcyq6hH9EkSjIbQwAmobWyyadPFc6Wmoi3+oGu4uN2MooMJD7lCFoYj/99h5aXw8B0uatpy82y9HyXLd7LOBu5duZecDUCUbRJyj8+qEjVq7xHvmz0KkMfpitOE= ; Message-ID: <20060707125347.30540.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.237.228.212] by web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 05:53:47 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 05:53:47 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban Alphabet Starter B To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <925d17560607061847i2576bc91o9a5534060c1c4ca0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-archive-position: 11952 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Very nice. Thanks. --- Jorge Llamb�as wrote: > On 7/6/06, John E Clifford wrote: > > > > So as a tentative list we have > > > > A: low vowel > > B: vd stop consonant > > C: vl back sibilant consonant > > D: vd dental stop consonant > > E: mid front vowel > > F: vl consonant > > G: vd back stop consonant > > h: consonant > > I: high front vowel > > J: vd back sibilant consonant > > K: vl back stop consonant > > L: dental hyphen consonant > > M: nasal consonant > > N: nasal hyphen consonant > > O: mid back vowel > > P: vl stop consonant > > R: hyphen consonant > > S: vl sibilant consonant > > T: vl dental stop consonant > > U: high back vowel > > V: vd consonant > > X: back consonant > > Y: (central) vowel > > Z: vd sibilant consonant > > That's nice. I would make the following minor adjustments: > > - Include the vl feature in X, even though there is no contrasting vd, > because it is relevant for the phonotactics. > > - Make > Y: hyphen > A: vowel > > That means we don't need to mark the "low" feature at all, and it makes Y > distinct which is good because Y really is a special phoneme. In particular, > it does not break consonant clusters for the purpose of brivlahood, > so in some sense it does not quite count as a vowel. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.