From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jul 16 13:24:40 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G2DA3-0007li-La for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:24:19 -0700 Received: from web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.41]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G2DA2-0007lb-Cb for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:24:19 -0700 Received: (qmail 21337 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jul 2006 20:24:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WFH+ogcDiwI7DStv54udb8/ylQSawaD8gcns4wju8kaKaZpOa6xl6P929ffQkOMwYYTY0cZgarDOOkBdYaDefU+B/saDGaK2od1ipQfmuRQKhb/kSJE0aiX4EtnN7hMHjauJ/1bgQkoamWWqtm7DAgMkDJAtH2bNEoVeBHelpm4= ; Message-ID: <20060716202417.21335.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.237.206.86] by web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:24:17 PDT Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:24:17 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: [lojban] Re: A (rather long) discussion of {all} To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <925d17560607151927l75a94cb5k443f5d55d63582bc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-archive-position: 12223 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list -- Jorge Llamb�as wrote: > On 7/15/06, John E Clifford wrote: > > To a certain extent, a free variable could be identified with {zo'e} in > > its "it doesn't matter what" mode. The real variables in Lojban, > > {da} etc. are never free. > > Minor tangential nitpick: I don't think {zo'e} would do as a free variable > in any of its modes. I think the only things that can be free variables > in Lojban are {ke'a} and {ce'u}. {ke'a broda} and {ce'u broda} are well > formed formulas, but not sentences. They can only be interpreted when > bound by {poi}/{noi} or {ka} respectively. Nice point: syntactically they do function like free variables -- although {ce'u} semantically is bound by the implicit lambda, just as {da} is by the implicit {su'o}. Practically, {zo'e} ia used in a wy that free variables are often used informally. > > "Domain" is standard, but yes it is odd, since for most interesting > > diecussions it is the range. > > Could it be that in some models it is the domain of the function that > interprets a predicate? > It is indeed the domain of characteristic functions, but that is fairly late and the use of "domain" for the objects in the universe of discourse is older. I don't know where it comes from but assume it is one of those words like "universe" and "world" and the like used to give a sense To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.