From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Jul 11 16:23:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20533 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 23:23:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 23:23:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 23:23:23 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G0RZW-0003wd-NW for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:23:18 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G0RZB-0003vX-7R; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:22:57 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G0RYl-0003vN-4a for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:22:31 -0700 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.178]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G0RYk-0003vG-Cw for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:22:30 -0700 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id 39so23905pyu for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.18.18 with SMTP id v18mr119961pyi; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.14.17 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560607111622w5e587f33t25d6ef577eb26393@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:22:29 -0300 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44AD673B.7060501@gmail.com> <925d17560607061651p19623e56x7c188368533f9c48@mail.gmail.com> <20060706235433.GJ18983@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <2d3df92a0607081047i5ba3e2b5ucf79eaf3bed81d4a@mail.gmail.com> <44B21C12.5060806@bilkent.edu.tr> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 12128 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Alphabet proposal one. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=qDKXVwTdHgY2Vdb70y8mN2U4S0FsEg1VP6aKVOocH_quZ4l24Q X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 26552 On 7/11/06, Matt Arnold wrote: > > > This has already been done. Since the beginning of the language, even > though the Latin alphabet was the official standard, it was > permissable to transcribe into Arabic, Cyrillic, Hebrew, and Greek > character sets. They even created words for it. The words {ru'o} > {ge'o} {je'o} and {lo'a} are a set of verbal "shift keys". They mean > to dictate to a computer or amanuensis that they should shift > letterals to Arabic, Cyrillic, Greek, Hebrew, and Lojban (Latin) > character sets respectively. That's not exactly how those work. You could perhaps write instead of {ge'o by} the Greek character beta, in the same way that you can write "3" instead of the full word {ci}, or in the way some of us sometimes will write "T" instead of the full word {ty}. But the shifts {ru'o}, {ge'o}, {je'o} and {lo'a} don't tell you a thing about how to write a text. A mathematical text that includes some greek letters in a formula will use the words {ge'o by} as part of the formula. But the text will be normally written fully with Latin letters. Or indeed the same text could be written fully using the Cyrillic alphabet. The shifts don't tell anyone anything about how to write the text. For those words to do what you suggest they should have a very different grammar. They should be in selma'o UI or such, not be part of lerfu strings. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.