From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Jul 11 06:12:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11745 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 12:58:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 12:58:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 12:58:32 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G0Ho9-0000tG-BP for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 05:57:45 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G0HlF-0000gV-Kg; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 05:54:51 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 05:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G0Hkj-0000g2-OE for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 05:54:13 -0700 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com ([72.14.214.200]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G0Hkf-0000fo-M0 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 05:54:13 -0700 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 34so2808883hud for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 05:54:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.60.16 with SMTP id n16mr6571613pyk; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 05:54:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.14.17 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 05:54:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560607110554i6a3ff925haf36c42b33f46bb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:54:05 -0300 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060710202233.40531.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-archive-position: 12097 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Cultural Neutrality X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=UZoRvIz2T_GgVuqwcHgxRm87TnOU0CBjqvhJNVqfvyGCfKGHSg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 26524 On 7/10/06, Maxim Katcharov wrote: > Lojban's > phoneme-set is supposedly simple for one of any culture/language to > learn, and offers variant pronounciations. It's probably not among the hardest set of phonemes to learn among world languages, but it's not among the simplest either. For example, for Spanish speakers the b/v, s/z and c/j distinctions are hard. Not that they are impossible to learn, but for those not familiar with a language that has them, they are not at all easy. Keeping b/d/g always as plosives and not fricativizing them is also hard. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.