From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Jul 12 18:25:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42152 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 01:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2006 01:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 01:11:21 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G0pjb-0003Iz-SX for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:11:20 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G0pjD-0003I9-3Z; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:10:55 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G0pik-0003Hk-VU for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:10:27 -0700 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.183]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G0pij-0003Ha-7W for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:10:26 -0700 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b29so49413pya for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.37.18 with SMTP id p18mr71129pyj; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.14.17 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560607121810s1f9b573bx856d0e8e834e1ab5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:10:23 -0300 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060711233003.36140.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <925d17560607120531v7de5bfefwa96db493b274fbdf@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560607121113y4d0be37y1fe4757a46c030f4@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 12165 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: A (rather long) discussion of {all} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=H1X_tgSM80oCKZqgAFRYgINHGkZkGoqeVMkSy-tprlDw6VVNQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 26591 On 7/12/06, Jim Carter wrote: > > So distributing a relation over all the one or zero members of the smaller > sized sets is important and needs to be supported in the language. Of course. The only point I was making here is that when {ko'a} has a single referent, {lu'o ko'a broda}, {ro ko'a broda} and {ko'a broda} all say the same thing. (And if you know that {ko'a} has a single referent, marking it either for distributivity or for non-duistributivity would be very un-Gricean, because it adds nothing.) The only point of disagreement we seem to have with Maxim is that he would have distributivity to be an obligatory distinction in Lojban, and I would have it to be an optional distinction. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.