From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Jul 08 12:35:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50433 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2006 19:28:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2006 19:28:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2006 19:28:34 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FzISw-0007WB-IL for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:27:46 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FzIR4-0007VB-UT; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:25:53 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FzIQb-0007V0-N1 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:25:21 -0700 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FzIQa-0007Ut-7H for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:25:21 -0700 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id i49so898682pyi for ; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.18.18 with SMTP id v18mr3416645pyi; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.14.17 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 12:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560607081225t3805a64ck8c06ea0faa021662@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 16:25:15 -0300 In-Reply-To: <2d3df92a0607081137k3a3766cqf95a806b7a44ee39@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1836234499.20060702070602@mail.ru> <78904337.20060705215056@mail.ru> <2d3df92a0607080904j65e6faa8o8501246ad0e1191d@mail.gmail.com> <678456385.20060708232944@mail.ru> <2d3df92a0607081000q4e1436a3pd1712372a9060651@mail.gmail.com> <1565464009.20060709001700@mail.ru> <2d3df92a0607081137k3a3766cqf95a806b7a44ee39@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 12003 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Language-independent humor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=DTb-6YO5qvQPWfGdq1K0zcWU-UdGVaz-XPh7hPDTrpheyCbwmw X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 26429 On 7/8/06, HeliodoR wrote: > > > > I read the CLL 5:7 about {be} attachments. It wasn't mentioned there that > we can pull {be} in front of the selbri. I am not an expert in formal > grammars, but there we can find an answer to this point. > > {pe} can also be nested. So why should {be} form an exception? {pe} and {be} belong to different selma'o and they have different functions. {be} attaches a sumti to a brivla. {pe} attaches a sumti to another sumti. {be} can only be used right after a brivla (or other tanru unit). It cannot be used between a gadri and a brivla. The sequence is as follows: You start with a tanru unit. You can attach any number of arguments to it with be-bei- (the result is a more complex tanru unit). You convert a tanru unnit into a sumti with a gadri. You attach to the sumti another sumti. There are three places where you can place this attached sumti: between the gadri and the brivla, between the brivla and {ku}, or after the {ku}. A tanru unit with attached sumti can also be used as part of a tanru, as in the tanru {broda be ko'a brode}. You can't do that with {pe} because there is no sumti in {broda brode} to attach another sumti to. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.