From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Jul 01 01:44:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86970 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2006 08:44:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2006 08:44:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2006 08:44:42 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fwb2X-0001wk-Kf for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 01 Jul 2006 01:41:21 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fwb16-0001vf-S0; Sat, 01 Jul 2006 01:39:54 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 01 Jul 2006 01:39:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fwb0c-0001vR-CO for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 01 Jul 2006 01:39:22 -0700 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com ([64.233.162.205]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fwb0b-0001vK-9s for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 01 Jul 2006 01:39:22 -0700 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id z31so341875nzd for ; Sat, 01 Jul 2006 01:39:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.195.17 with SMTP id s17mr1828426qbf; Sat, 01 Jul 2006 01:39:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.224.8 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 01:39:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 04:39:20 -0400 In-Reply-To: <200606300950.03671.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <737b61f30606291208u116ab072i7d77bc064d346a93@mail.gmail.com> <200606300950.03671.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 11861 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: andrii.z@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Andrii Zvorygin" From: "Andrii Zvorygin" Reply-To: andrii.z@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: do jbopre speak slowly? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=ayyZtuWrEiH1FIxI428UOW5fZ9cj3K2s4x-Eslvff1JKELL_PQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 26286 i would think that people would speak faster as the very purpose of things like .y'y is to make what is being said easy to convey and hard to confuse. and because of how rhythimic the language becomes because there is just an even distribution of constonants and vowels. people only need to emphasize at the second last syllable allowing for the rest to be hurried through. Generally being a rusko I have to deal with lots of text to say as words are significantly longer, most translated books tend to be 25% longer, but people seem to read them much faster than they do english text because it doesn't get jumbled like english because of all the k's and rolling r's hard sounds that allow you to seperate out the vowels. On 6/30/06, Pierre Abbat wrote: > I think that there would be differences between Bertcad, Xagvar, and the rural > areas, just as there are differences between Boston and Atlanta, or between > El Salvador, Mexico, and Argentina. Also when a hick jbopre from a town where > pronunciation is muddled tries to talk with a bertcapre, he will probably > talk slower than two hicks or two bertcapre. > > Both sentences and words in Lojban are a bit longer than in English, because > of the unambiguous lexing and grammar. This probably doesn't mean that Lojban > will be spoken faster, in phonemes per second, because that would result in > confusion between similar sounding and meaning words (e.g. > noltruni'u/noltroni'u, ratcu/ractu, ko'o/ko'u). > > phma > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.