From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun Jul 23 01:26:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69688 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2006 08:25:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2006 08:25:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2006 08:25:54 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G4ZHb-0000El-Tp for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 01:25:52 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G4ZGO-0000Do-HU; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 01:24:39 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 23 Jul 2006 01:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G4OxH-00076q-7W for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:24:11 -0700 Received: from [84.96.92.11] (helo=smtp.Neuf.fr) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G4OxE-00076i-Tk for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:24:11 -0700 Received: from smtp.9online.fr ([84.4.44.57]) by sp604005mt.gpm.neuf.ld (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-5.05 (built Feb 16 2006)) with ESMTP id <0J2T005WOQ44V920@sp604005mt.gpm.neuf.ld> for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 23:24:05 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 23:24:57 +0200 Message-id: Organization: 9Online MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Win32) X-Spam-Score: 2.6 (++) X-archive-position: 12261 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: david.koch@9online.fr X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: David KOCH From: David KOCH Reply-To: david.koch@9online.fr Subject: [lojban] REF: Haskell and =?utf-8?Q?Sapir=E2=80=93Whorf?= hypothesis (NON URGENT) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=IeT5f20-V4iuX87qBi6n9JbhA31x5jcRaIKe4Zh0BzeJlTTCaA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 26687 Hello world, I'm still keeping an eye on the group. Considering that I'm a 'nerd' (or 'geek'), that I often visit some nerdo geeking websites, I found an interesting article quite recently : http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=15230 It speaks about functional programming VS imperative programing (do this, done that, step there...). It leads to a more indeep article hosted by IBM : http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/j-cb07186.html?ca=dgr-lnxw07Haskell One sentence especialy has struck my retina : "Imperative programming definitely shapes your thinking. But learning the alternative tools in functional languages can expand the way you look at a problem." Isn't just what's Lojban is supposed to prove, the Sapir–Whorf hypothesis ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapir–Whorf_hypothesis ) ? So perhaps it would be more 'accurate' to check the hypothesis on coder's abilities to solve a problem using different languages, as there is certainly more coders around the world than lojbanists. On another site, here's another way to deals with 'speaking to a computer' : http://www.codeproject.com/useritems/NaturalLanguageProcessing.asp Finally, what's quite fun is considering that Haskell have a spinoff language named Concurrent Clean, which was used to code Lojban Scrabble : http://www.double.co.nz/lojban/ And also that IBM, who hosts the article on Kaskell also hosts an article on Lojban : http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/rational/library/2740.html This article is written by a famous lojbanist, Jérôme Desquilbet : http://jerome.desquilbet.org/pages/246/ ( http://jerome.desquilbet.org/pages/8/ ) The universe loops on itself ! -- KOCH David aka Kochise To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.