From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Jul 11 09:32:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49836 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 16:31:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2006 16:31:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2006 16:31:10 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G0KoA-00059h-Hb for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:09:58 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G0Kl9-000585-LA; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:06:53 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G0Kkc-00057u-CX for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:06:18 -0700 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.178]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G0Kka-00057m-Pv for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:06:18 -0700 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id d42so3881390pyd for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.99.14 with SMTP id b14mr6814167pym; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.14.17 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560607110906x64a38da3i4a5dc464b0469ca@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:06:13 -0300 In-Reply-To: <20060711154654.99785.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060711154654.99785.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 12102 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: A (rather long) discussion of {all} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=OoPKrpSR86gnfbP3jehH8v_QNENnwy0Q47G4AncjFxo9IRGFcQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 26529 On 7/11/06, John E Clifford wrote: > Incidentally (well, not really), when we get done with > all the xplanation it wills till turn out that the two ways of talking are equivalent, that for > every sentence of one there is another sentence (often outwardly identical)that is true in exactly > the same situations (necessarily). I'd be interested to see how you handle the sentence: lo tadni cu dasni lo mapku gi'e sruri le dinju without doing away with mass entities. (I certainly agree that the two ways of explaining {lu'o lo tadni cu sruri le dinju} are equivalent, but for me at least it is easier to say that the slot marker for non-distributivity, {lu'o}, is not obligatory than any explanation that introduces mass entities.) mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.