From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Jul 07 06:30:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56904 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2006 13:00:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2006 13:00:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2006 13:00:27 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fypvx-00005O-Vb for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 05:59:55 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fypuo-0008WF-Tm; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 05:58:49 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 07 Jul 2006 05:58:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fyptz-0008Vj-T9 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 05:57:49 -0700 Received: from web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.122]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fyptr-0008VV-Gf for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 05:57:45 -0700 Received: (qmail 89509 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jul 2006 12:57:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20060707125737.89507.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.237.228.212] by web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 05:57:37 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 05:57:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <925d17560607061847i2576bc91o9a5534060c1c4ca0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-archive-position: 11953 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban Alphabet Starter B X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=9Juj87zEMMXVIGNtapy4V8ti41hMS3Vn-MgPpOcFI6_c_N-UDA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 26379 Ah! but that means we need another feature for F and V. --- Jorge Llamb�as wrote: > On 7/6/06, John E Clifford wrote: > > > > So as a tentative list we have > > > > A: low vowel > > B: vd stop consonant > > C: vl back sibilant consonant > > D: vd dental stop consonant > > E: mid front vowel > > F: vl consonant > > G: vd back stop consonant > > h: consonant > > I: high front vowel > > J: vd back sibilant consonant > > K: vl back stop consonant > > L: dental hyphen consonant > > M: nasal consonant > > N: nasal hyphen consonant > > O: mid back vowel > > P: vl stop consonant > > R: hyphen consonant > > S: vl sibilant consonant > > T: vl dental stop consonant > > U: high back vowel > > V: vd consonant > > X: back consonant > > Y: (central) vowel > > Z: vd sibilant consonant > > That's nice. I would make the following minor adjustments: > > - Include the vl feature in X, even though there is no contrasting vd, > because it is relevant for the phonotactics. > > - Make > Y: hyphen > A: vowel > > That means we don't need to mark the "low" feature at all, and it makes Y > distinct which is good because Y really is a special phoneme. In particular, > it does not break consonant clusters for the purpose of brivlahood, > so in some sense it does not quite count as a vowel. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.