From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Jul 07 09:12:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66847 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2006 15:59:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2006 15:59:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2006 15:59:54 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FysMy-0003Kx-Dj for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 08:35:52 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FysLk-0003Jp-19; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 08:34:36 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 07 Jul 2006 08:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FysKi-0003JC-Fp for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 08:33:32 -0700 Received: from web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.119]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FysKf-0003J4-G5 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 08:33:32 -0700 Received: (qmail 57400 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jul 2006 15:33:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20060707153327.57398.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.237.228.212] by web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 08:33:27 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 08:33:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-archive-position: 11960 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: Alphabet proposal one. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=Gv39X34gQS0ZEyEksAD05lu5bw_n35QiZedZt4CZ9RBKxQ-3jQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 26387 --- Betsemes wrote: > I have been following all of this about featural alphabets for Lojban > with interest, but I'm afraid that as a somehow still a beginner, I'm > too overwhelmed with the hazards of learning vocabulary to worry on > learning a new alphabet. It might be interesting and easy to learn, > maybe, but I tend to think it would be a very low priority in my > learning schedule. Well, from my point of view, it is a theoretical exercise with a best very long-term relevance. The LAatin alphabet is clearly the one to use now in anything but artistic displays for the inner group (cf. the use of Tengwar). > About cultural neutrality, I think as a non linguist that the position > of Jorge, Robin and Theodore matches what I would think of cultural > neutrality, just use any alphabet that suits you best. But this leads > me to think as a computer programmer in terms of portability. If you > want to get your message across, you must write in an intelligible > way, so that your audience can understand you. So, by such a point of > view, I see the value of having an official alphabet for Lojban. I don't get the cultural neutrality argument myself. A Lojban alphabet would presumably be unique to Lojban culture and that would be its virtue. For now, the Latin alphabet, however it may be culturally unneutral (whatever that may mean) is the thing to use (with exceptions noted). > This leads me to a question. How is the latin alphabet culturally > biased? Is it just because it comes from languages that comes from > Latin or is it because some other reason? Well, the Latin alphabet is used for just about every language there currently is (with local modifications, mainly as to pronunciation) but it the alphabet of the civilization/culture of Western Europe and that (derivatively from the dominance of that culture) is why it is so widely used. So, I suppose that rejecting it as culturally biased is a step in antiimperialism, To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.