From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Aug 19 06:24:35 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 19 Aug 2006 06:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GEQnt-0006Y7-NF for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 06:24:00 -0700 Received: from centrmmtao01.cox.net ([70.168.83.83]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GEQmk-0006VI-TK for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 06:23:52 -0700 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by centrmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060819132245.VKGE23821.centrmmtao01.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 09:22:45 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([24.250.99.39]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id BpNL1V00T0qzZBs0000000 Sat, 19 Aug 2006 09:22:22 -0400 Message-ID: <44E710A1.6070804@lojban.org> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 09:22:41 -0400 From: Bob LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: No Italy References: <38903270.20060819143600@mail.ru> In-Reply-To: <38903270.20060819143600@mail.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 12499 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Yanis Batura wrote: > I wonder why there is no gismu for Italy/Italian while there are > {jordo}, {filso}, {libjo}, {lubno}. I think Italians can provide 1000 > times more Lojbanists than the countries pertaining to the latter four > gismu. Arguably you could make a lujvo from latmo (and indeed that was our idea at the time). The answer to your question is that Italy does not speak one of the 6 source languages, whereas the four you mentioned do. Based solely on cultural neutrality, it was difficult to find a reason NOT to make a gismu for any country with a substantial number of Arabic speakers, especially since Arabic qualified as one of our 6 languages only by counting the speakers in the many different countries that spoke the language. If you want to be really culturally obtuse, you could call Italian "eastern-Spanish", since we almost counted Italian as a dialect of Spanish for weighting purposes in the language populations %^) Or you can make a fu'ivla, which has been the idea ever since we worked out a system for fu'ivla lujvo. lojbab To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.