From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Aug 19 13:28:22 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GEXQJ-00084N-Io for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:28:03 -0700 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.179]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GEXQI-00084F-KU for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:28:03 -0700 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id i49so1446584pyi for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:28:01 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=e4IdMunTvSlp0IXMDHPJxj1oigROQrNmqr13PDtxxHjf9MhuzVXpU8DmPfAwaujE/l1zXIYGXc3auAWGPclaG3VliCr7qhwDbDKq1qlf1VjEr+x9NASmTrpyXkgUg3WvUpqtxNOYLm1e9AYWBFsTVKmKt/Ka0Kp+2RCLzg9Jzjk= Received: by 10.35.127.7 with SMTP id e7mr9061261pyn; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.33.6 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <12d58c160608191328m51d693c5n1c7b14022acbedb1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:28:01 -0400 From: "komfo,amonan" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: No Italy In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_37350_27628147.1156019281279" References: <38903270.20060819143600@mail.ru> <44E710A1.6070804@lojban.org> <200608190832.18950.tim.thelion@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0db333cfa180e688 X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-archive-position: 12502 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: komfoamonan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list ------=_Part_37350_27628147.1156019281279 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/19/06, Alex Martini wrote: > > Actually, neither is a dialect of the other. Italian, French, > Portugese, Spanish, and the other Romance languages are more like > siblings than dialects of eachother. In the beginning, there was > Classical Latin -- the 'proper' or 'formal' Latin of the Roman > conquerors, from which came Vernacular Latin (also called Vulgar > Latin) -- the Latin of the common people. As it mixed with the local > dying languages, it formed dialects which became less and less like > eachother over time. Spanish got a heavy dallop of Arabic mixed in, > which the others missed, from being occupied by the Moors. Allow me to nitpick here. Before there was Classical Latin, there was Archaic Latin. Writings in Archaic Latin were not readily readable to one familiar with Classical (even during the Classical period). Spoken Archaic Latin evolved into Vulgar Latin. Classical Latin was an inentionally highly-structured, somewhat florid version of the language used for official texts, literature, and public speeches. It is thought to have arisen early in the Vulgar Latin period, say around 250 BCE. A good modern analog would be the distinction between Modern Standard Arabic, a kind of formalized, Qur'an-based language used in official contexts across the Arab world; and Vernacular Arabic, which varies widely from country to country and from the standard. mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan ------=_Part_37350_27628147.1156019281279 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/19/06, Alex Martini <alexjm@umich.edu> wrote:
Actually, neither is a dialect of the other. Italian, French,
Portugese, Spanish, and the other Romance languages are more like
siblings than dialects of eachother. In the beginning, there was
Classical Latin -- the 'proper' or 'formal' Latin of the Roman
conquerors, from which came Vernacular Latin (also called Vulgar
Latin) -- the Latin of the common people. As it mixed with the local
dying languages, it formed dialects which became less and less like
eachother over time. Spanish got a heavy dallop of Arabic mixed in,
which the others missed, from being occupied by the Moors.

Allow me to nitpick here. Before there was Classical Latin, there was Archaic Latin. Writings in Archaic Latin were not readily readable to one familiar with Classical (even during the Classical period). Spoken Archaic Latin evolved into Vulgar Latin. Classical Latin was an inentionally highly-structured, somewhat florid version of the language used for official texts, literature, and public speeches. It is thought to have arisen early in the Vulgar Latin period, say around 250 BCE. A good modern analog would be the distinction between Modern Standard Arabic, a kind of formalized, Qur'an-based language used in official contexts across the Arab world; and Vernacular Arabic, which varies widely from country to country and from the standard. mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan
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