From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Aug 20 10:16:59 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 20 Aug 2006 10:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GEquQ-0002O8-7C for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 10:16:26 -0700 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GEquP-0002O0-6g for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 10:16:25 -0700 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id m19so2011103nfc for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 10:16:23 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Y++2LqXy/aq5C4iVJmB1ZcIQ1YSyb7YDpJl+Joi5jHU6hgJy0GzU7joYvJX4wSKXqmzOfUz25lApBnapRQl9bjQYm8r5B/fxdVMKBdK26rPO9vSJyw1AbegD7EMDQ2yy6Ga6a5zlu2i9pBGVgjRYQpVPYUcScgj5QMWS4F+2I2Q= Received: by 10.48.48.18 with SMTP id v18mr6747492nfv; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 10:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.161.17 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 10:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 13:16:23 -0400 From: "Matt Arnold" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: mabla In-Reply-To: <47859832.20060820235613@mail.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <47859832.20060820235613@mail.ru> X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 12518 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 8/20/06, Yanis Batura wrote: > > Why are there so many anatomical references for the gismu {mabla}? All those > body parts may be/seem obscene or derogatory in Western/European culture, > but not in every culture in the world. > > zo vlagi cu srana lo se smuni be zo mabla mu'i ma .i mi na tugni > > I think that is not culturally neutral! > > mi'e .ianis. Every person has their own culture. Lojban is a culturally neutral *language*, but that does not mean a Lojban-speaker is a culturally neutral *person*. There is nothing in Lojban that makes {vlagi} automatically {mabla}. If someone says {mabla vlagi}, Lojban cannot prohibit them from having that opinion or that culture. They are speaking for their own opinions. In fact, the great thing about Lojban is that if you speak to a person from a culture that does not think {vlagi} is {mabla}, you are much more clear by making it specific with {mabla}. You are then communicating about yourself and your own culture so they can understand where you're coming from. In a natural language you would only use the word for {vlagi}. You would need them to already know that it is obscene or derogatory for you, and they wouldn't understand. -epkat To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.