From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Aug 22 07:22:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19026 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2006 14:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2006 14:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2006 14:19:33 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GFX5v-0006uE-Fh for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:19:07 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GFX5D-0006t9-8s; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:18:23 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GFX4i-0006sc-0z for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:17:52 -0700 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com ([64.233.162.200]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GFX4h-0006sV-0S for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:17:51 -0700 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id l8so952613nzf for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.105.18 with SMTP id h18mr15599748pym; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.33.6 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <12d58c160608220717o2daa27f8s6b030e86fb3c0963@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:17:47 -0400 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_78898_6789888.1156256267463" References: <12d58c160608220651j2cbb3808u84cb19e01286de9f@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-archive-position: 12542 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: adamgarrigus@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Adam COOPER" From: "Adam COOPER" Reply-To: adamgarrigus@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Puzzle X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=4SxqIhcutrrh1tLAMcFcXK7DuzZC9VmgOQz21P_SJjwmdpaDjA X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 26972 ------=_Part_78898_6789888.1156256267463 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/22/06, Matt Arnold wrote: > > On 8/22/06, Adam COOPER wrote: > > On 8/22/06, Yanis Batura wrote: > > > > > "I can read and write" is translated to Lojban as > > > > > > (1) mi kakne lo nu tcidu kei .e lo nu ciska > > > > > > I have a sneaking suspicion that {kei} is not needed there, and that > that > > was recently fixed in jboski [?!] > > > > > The more intuitive version, > > > > > > (2) mi ka'e tcidu je ciska > > > > > > is wrong. What does it mean? > > > > > > "I am-innately-capable-of reading and writing." A wise lojbanist pointed > out > > a few months back that {ka'e} does not have the same basic meaning as > > {kakne}. > > > > mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan > > > And what is that difference in basic meaning? > -epkat Innateness, which is part of the definition of {ka'e} but not of {kakne}. ------=_Part_78898_6789888.1156256267463 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/22/06, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/22/06, Adam COOPER <adamgarrigus@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/22/06, Yanis Batura <ybatura@mail.ru> wrote:
>
> > "I can read and write" is translated to Lojban as
> >
> > (1) mi kakne lo nu tcidu kei .e lo nu ciska
>
>
> I have a sneaking suspicion that  {kei} is not needed there, and that that
> was recently fixed in jboski [?!]
>
> > The more intuitive version,
> >
> > (2) mi ka'e tcidu je ciska
> >
> > is wrong. What does it mean?
>
>
> "I am-innately-capable-of reading and writing." A wise lojbanist pointed out
> a few months back that {ka'e} does not have the same basic meaning as
> {kakne}.
>
> mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan
>
And what is that difference in basic meaning?
-epkat

Innateness, which is part of the definition of {ka'e} but not of {kakne}.


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