Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46859 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2006 14:07:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2006 14:07:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 2006 14:07:31 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GCzSE-0005vW-B9 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 06:59:38 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GCzRO-0005uU-Rw; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 06:58:48 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 15 Aug 2006 06:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GCzQu-0005u1-00 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 06:58:16 -0700 Received: from express.cec.wustl.edu ([128.252.21.16]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GCzQr-0005tt-Sl for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 06:58:15 -0700 Received: from hive.cec.wustl.edu (hive.cec.wustl.edu [128.252.21.14]) by express.cec.wustl.edu (8.13.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id k7FDwCfB009514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:58:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hive.cec.wustl.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hive.cec.wustl.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k7FDwCQ3002370; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:58:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (adam@localhost) by hive.cec.wustl.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id k7FDwCVJ002367; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:58:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: hive.cec.wustl.edu: adam owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:58:12 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 12458 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: adam@pubcrawler.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Adam D. Lopresto" From: "Adam D. Lopresto" Reply-To: adam@pubcrawler.org Subject: [lojban] Re: janbe X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=JhWGS53dI-gtgTiQS0Hd9XJa5K2BpD5rAqUii51nMevIXk5J2A X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 26887 Content-Length: 1041 Lines: 33 On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, Yanis Batura wrote: > janbe > bell > x1 is a bell/chime/[tuning fork] [tuned percussion instrument] producing > sound/note x2 [also: x1 rings/tolls (i.e. if it rings, then it is a bell); > resonates (one sense, = jabdesku)]; (cf. zgike, tonga, desku, slilu) > > > {ko'a janbe} > Is it translated "It is a bell" or "It rings"? There can be bells that never > ring. The distinction, I think, is between {ko'a ka'e janbe} (it's a bell), and {ko'a ca'a janbe} (it rings). Without anything CAhA, you're sort of in an ambiguous state among all of them, which is exactly what you want for a bell that may not be ringing now. -- Adam Lopresto http://cec.wustl.edu/~adam/ If this is coffee, please bring me some tea; but if this is tea, please bring me some coffee. --Abraham Lincoln To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.