From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Aug 21 08:12:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47137 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2006 15:09:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2006 15:09:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2006 15:09:22 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GFBJj-0008OT-FR for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:03:55 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GFBIU-0008MH-TX; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:02:40 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GFBHm-00084B-8F for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:01:55 -0700 Received: from web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.40]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GFBHg-00083n-SS for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:01:52 -0700 Received: (qmail 71559 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Aug 2006 15:01:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20060821150147.71557.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.230.156.207] by web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:01:47 PDT Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:01:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-archive-position: 12530 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: Intermediate English X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=UZNmQSeUt43L4zg-fSSL8pHGhfCeX69S5OFxGIeaeJ_fKxDX0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 26959 --- Alex Martini wrote: > On a side note the comma is especially problematic in English, and > probably other languages that use the Latin script. This is because > it is used for so many different things. It is used for lists {I sent > you a letter, an apple, and a small piano.}. It is also used for for > side comments {My brother, over committed as always, couldn't spare > the time to help.} which are pretty much the same as relative clauses > {The ambassador, who came yesterday, is named John.}. (Although, the > comma is only used in {poi} type restrictive relative clauses, not in > {noi} or {voi} type). > When I learned this stuff (about Middle English, I suppose), the comma rule for relative clauses was exactly the opposite (and my punctuation checker still works it that way -- along with the novel requiring "that" for restrictive relatives). that is, no commas with restrictive (part of the description, {poi}), commas required with non-restrictive (additonal information, {noi} etc.) To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.