From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Aug 19 19:22:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39693 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2006 02:22:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2006 02:22:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2006 02:22:02 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GEcwe-00084J-TN for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:21:49 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GEcvo-00083c-Iq; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:20:58 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GEcvK-00082Y-H5 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:20:26 -0700 Received: from centrmmtao04.cox.net ([70.168.83.80]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GEcvH-00082R-PR for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:20:26 -0700 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by centrmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060820022020.HKXJ14774.centrmmtao04.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:20:20 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([24.250.99.39]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id C2Kv1V0060qzZBs0000000 Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:19:57 -0400 Message-ID: <44E7C6DE.5030801@lojban.org> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:20:14 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <38903270.20060819143600@mail.ru> <44E710A1.6070804@lojban.org> <200608190832.18950.tim.thelion@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200608190832.18950.tim.thelion@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 12505 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Bob LeChevalier From: Bob LeChevalier Reply-To: lojbab@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: No Italy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=s4UH95JKjA_qOhuKSkYaQGQYieonXHR516FBAj7hpsG58eHnvg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 26935 Timothy Hobbs wrote: > that seems a bit rude. Which is why we didn't seriously consider it. I am preity sure it is the other way around. (spanish > is a dialect of italian.) Both Spanish and Italian are dialects of neo-Latin. But Spanish is the word that got the gismu because it is one of the 6 source languages. >It is also quite incorrect. You could have new > latin and western new latin, BUT NOT EASTERN SPANISH! It would merely require defining spano to mean more broadly "southern Romance language/culture". >It is just plain wrong. Based solely on population, Spanish is the mainstream and Italian is the dialect. This is not based on history or values or anything other than plain numbers. > and also eastern spanish would not properly represent the cultures > involved. and seems quite offensive. (ie, genericide of celibrated > diferences). Treating the two languages and cultures as being a commonalty would intentionally be papering over the differences. This is controversial, so we didn't seriously consider it. > I don't accualy know anything. that responce was wholy from the emotional > side of my brain. Whereas my statement regarding the reasoning was attempting to entirely exclude any emotional considerations. lojbab To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.