From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Aug 01 16:36:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4845 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 23:33:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 23:33:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 23:33:49 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G83gz-0005yf-HR for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:30:29 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G83gI-0005xc-0w; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:29:47 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G83fq-0005xT-5E for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:29:18 -0700 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.170]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G83fp-0005xM-6l for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:29:17 -0700 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so1521969uge for ; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.136.7 with SMTP id j7mr68817hud; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.33.3 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <12d58c160608011629m31adcfafuf3299e49bc97e385@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:29:15 -0400 In-Reply-To: <737b61f30608011602r5af5b8b7s87d1ce45ca98955e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_88116_31504277.1154474955120" References: <737b61f30607312013v643cfe8ah5c71366b74a0e322@mail.gmail.com> <7F14BDEF-4DEF-4C48-92E5-D515F4A35F42@umich.edu> <737b61f30608011602r5af5b8b7s87d1ce45ca98955e@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-archive-position: 12299 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: adamgarrigus@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Adam COOPER" From: "Adam COOPER" Reply-To: adamgarrigus@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: bo, i, and ni'o X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=_UwVqqw5c-zHJtyFN8H_uMz5TWsPhKV04pmDz9HyIwTWcdL62w X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 26727 ------=_Part_88116_31504277.1154474955120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/1/06, Chris Capel wrote: > > On 8/1/06, Alex Martini wrote: > > > > On Jul 31, 2006, at 11:13 PM, Chris Capel wrote: > > > This is valid Lojban (I hope): > > > > > > ba zi bo le cnino cu sipna > > > > .ienai jboski chokes on the {bo}. Although, I don't have a DOS > > emulator handy on this computer, or i'd run it through the official > > parser just to be sure. > > That's odd. In your quote you have "ba zi bo", but in the post I sent > I have "i ba zi bo". Yes, jbofi'e chokes on it without the "i". After running into this problem a few times, I concluded that {bo} is a connector dependent on the previous statement. Two statements connected by a {bo} are kind of like a single sentence. E.g. mi pensi i se ni'i bo mi zasti I think, therefore I am. So the dependence requires the {.i} which at least implies a previous statement, & precludes the {ni'o} because a sentence can't spill over into a new paragraph. My explanation probably suffers from quite a bit of imprecision, but it's something like that. mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan ------=_Part_88116_31504277.1154474955120 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/1/06, Chris Capel <pdf23ds@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/1/06, Alex Martini <alexjm@umich.edu> wrote:
>
> On Jul 31, 2006, at 11:13 PM, Chris Capel wrote:
> > This is valid Lojban (I hope):
> >
> > ba zi bo le cnino cu sipna
>
> .ienai jboski chokes on the {bo}. Although, I don't have a DOS
> emulator handy on this computer, or i'd run it through the official
> parser just to be sure.

That's odd. In your quote you have "ba zi bo", but in the post I sent
I have "i ba zi bo". Yes, jbofi'e chokes on it without the "i".

After running into this problem a few times, I concluded that {bo} is a connector dependent on the previous statement. Two statements connected by a {bo} are kind of like a single sentence. E.g.

mi pensi i se ni'i bo mi zasti
I think, therefore I am.

So the dependence requires the {.i} which at least implies a previous statement, & precludes the {ni'o} because a sentence can't spill over into a new paragraph.

My explanation probably suffers from quite a bit of imprecision, but it's something like that.

mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan


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