From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Aug 22 06:54:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95622 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2006 13:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2006 13:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2006 13:54:05 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GFWhK-0005Sp-4Q for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:53:42 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GFWg3-0005Px-6k; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:52:23 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GFWfZ-0005Pc-5V for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:51:53 -0700 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.176]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GFWfY-0005PU-2B for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:51:52 -0700 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id i49so2460105pyi for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.128.1 with SMTP id f1mr9821810pyn; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.33.6 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 06:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <12d58c160608220651j2cbb3808u84cb19e01286de9f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:51:51 -0400 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_78446_33459667.1156254711001" References: X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-archive-position: 12540 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: adamgarrigus@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Adam COOPER" From: "Adam COOPER" Reply-To: adamgarrigus@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Puzzle X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=nxpT5q63-avOd65RGnJyyp6cGhSJc9nrbCE-gX7yRMN4jXC11Q X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 26970 ------=_Part_78446_33459667.1156254711001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/22/06, Yanis Batura wrote: > > "I can read and write" is translated to Lojban as > > (1) mi kakne lo nu tcidu kei .e lo nu ciska I have a sneaking suspicion that {kei} is not needed there, and that that was recently fixed in jboski [?!] The more intuitive version, > > (2) mi ka'e tcidu je ciska > > is wrong. What does it mean? "I am-innately-capable-of reading and writing." A wise lojbanist pointed out a few months back that {ka'e} does not have the same basic meaning as {kakne}. mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan ------=_Part_78446_33459667.1156254711001 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/22/06, Yanis Batura <ybatura@mail.ru> wrote:
"I can read and write" is translated to Lojban as

(1) mi kakne lo nu tcidu kei .e lo nu ciska

I have a sneaking suspicion that  {kei} is not needed there, and that that was recently fixed in jboski [?!]

The more intuitive version,

(2) mi ka'e tcidu je ciska

is wrong. What does it mean?

"I am-innately-capable-of reading and writing." A wise lojbanist pointed out a few months back that {ka'e} does not have the same basic meaning as {kakne}.

mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan


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