From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Sep 25 06:46:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62428 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2006 13:46:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2006 13:46:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2006 13:46:04 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GRqdJ-0005lJ-Kd for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 06:36:32 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GRqbV-0005kE-O3; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 06:34:43 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 06:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GRqal-0005js-Ik for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 06:33:52 -0700 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com ([64.233.162.197]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GRqaR-0005jW-3f for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 06:33:49 -0700 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id n1so741493nzf for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 06:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.216.19 with SMTP id t19mr4179847qbq; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 06:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blackbeast ( [67.165.223.114]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id e18sm2286924qbe.2006.09.25.06.33.21; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 06:33:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 07:34:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003E_01C6E075.17E92A70" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acbgl90NqEpydwHCTX6FszK87S8R3gADclag X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Message-ID: <4517daa2.12043648.3cd1.3ead@mx.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-archive-position: 12633 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matthew.dunlap@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "M@" From: "M@" Reply-To: matthew.dunlap@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: binary vs. digital X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=mf-gB4Hp0rHH64akQ_xkTWRxivZr7CncwbEr7FMn7umW17tG-A X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27068 ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C6E075.17E92A70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Binary is base two digital. Digital is a quantized method for representing information where intermediate steps between levels do not exist at the functional level. What if computers were ternary? They'd still be digital. What if tomorrow there were spintronic CPUs in every desktop that were sensitive enough for 16 spins? That would be base 16 digital. How don't cats describe themselves? "I am hungry" MI is Machine Intelligence, that is, a machine that has the same mechanism providing it intelligence as we have providing us intelligence. AI is just an attempt to simulate one possible configuration of an MI. To make AI as complicated as a brain you'd have to program in everything a brain can do. To make MI as complicated as a brain you simply have to scale up the (yet unknown) central algorithm and the hardware. Bash is a good example of a well thought out user interface being completely ignored by a huge majority of the population because it has too few limits. GUIs on the other hand, succeed because they limit the user much more, thus cutting down the amount of thinking required to get any given thing done. --M@ _____ From: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 5:38 AM To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] binary vs. digital In a message dated 9/25/2006 4:22:37 AM Central Standard Time, ecartis@digitalkingdom.org writes: From: "M@" Subject: [lojban] my opinion on why lojban isn't specifically well suited for h Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 09:24:17 -0600 ... Computers are both digital and binary (note: I distinguish digital from binary, some people disagree, but that's another argument altogether (and yes I'm aware that binary implies digital, that phrase is foreshadowing)), What distinction are you making between binary and digital? stevo ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C6E075.17E92A70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Binary is base two digital.  Digi= tal is a quantized method for representing information where intermediate steps between levels do not exist at the functional level.  What if computer= s were ternary?  They’d still be digital.  What if tomorrow t= here were spintronic CPUs in every desktop that were sensitive enough for 16 spins?  That would be base 16 digital.

 

How don’t cats describe themselves?  “I am hungry”

 

MI is Machine Intelligence, that is, a machine that has the same mechanism providing it intelligence as we have providing us intelligence.  AI is just an attempt to simulate one poss= ible configuration of an MI.  To make AI as complicated as a brain you̵= 7;d have to program in everything a brain can do.  To make MI as complicat= ed as a brain you simply have to scale up the (yet unknown) central algorithm = and the hardware.

 

Bash is a good example of a well thoug= ht out user interface being completely ignored by a huge majority of the population because it has too few limits.  GUIs on the other hand, suc= ceed because they limit the user much more, thus cutting down the amount of thin= king required to get any given thing done.

 

--M@

 

From: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of MorphemeAddict@wmconnect= .com
Sent: Monday, September 25, = 2006 5:38 AM
To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] binary vs. digital

 

In a message dated 9/25/2006 4:22:37 AM Central Standa= rd Time, ecartis@digitalkingdom.org writes:



From: "M@" <matthew.dunlap@gmail.com>
Subject: [lojban] my opinion on why lojban isn't specifically well suited f= or h
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 09:24:17 -0600

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Computers are both digital and binary (note: I distinguish digital from binary, some people disagree, but that's another argument altogether (and <= br> yes I'm aware that binary implies digital, that phrase is foreshadowing)), =



What distinction are you making between binary and digital?  

stevo

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