From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Sep 25 09:31:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6377 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2006 16:25:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2006 16:25:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2006 16:25:33 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GRtDU-0001uL-0R for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 09:22:00 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GRtCp-0001tK-0q; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 09:21:19 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 25 Sep 2006 09:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GRtCL-0001t6-TR for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 09:20:50 -0700 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GRtCK-0001st-L3 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 09:20:49 -0700 Received: from [192.168.25.19] (unknown [192.168.25.19]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0365CE459 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 12:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 12:20:31 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <45177c6a.2116e5c9.0195.ffffb80c@mx.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <45177c6a.2116e5c9.0195.ffffb80c@mx.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200609251220.32525.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-archive-position: 12636 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Pierre Abbat From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@phma.optus.nu Subject: [lojban] Re: my opinion on why lojban isn't specifically well suited for human-computer interaction.1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=2bGF4EBCWWmk-OomTuPCnqXZoBIcQrOM5MXzEjAK3vBhf6biWg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27070 On Monday 25 September 2006 02:52, M@ wrote: > Additionally, codes can be abstracted, languages cannot (or at least none > that are coming to mind can). I could speak lojban in Morse Code, or > Spanish in Morse Code (if I could speak Spanish that is). I can't imagine > pig latin would work very well applied to Spanish, but conceptually there > is no barrier with the idea. Yensopé equé esué osiblepé ;) > Do you mean to suggest that Latin grammar is the same as Spanish grammar (I > don't know one way or the other)? Latin grammar is quite different from Spanish grammar; for instance, case endings have disappeared and prepositions are more common. Spanish grammar is more similar to grammar of other main Romance languages (the outliers are Sardinian and Romanian, and I don't know much about them) than to Latin grammar, but there are differences among them (usted and vous take different verb forms, hubiera doesn't seem to correspond to anything in French, preterit desuet in French, etc.). I have heard a Portuguese and a Hispanic talking as if each one's language was a code for the other. The grammar is close enough that they can do this, but the vocabulary contains numerous differences: porto spano lojbo janela ventana canko tatu armadillo cakmabru faca cuchillo dakfu alfândega aduana koirgretro fita cinta dasri cão perro gerku Pierre To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.