From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Oct 29 19:56:56 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:56:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GeOGJ-0004cm-NG for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:56:35 -0800 Received: from web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com ([216.252.111.81]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GeOGG-0004cb-Bu for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:56:35 -0800 Received: (qmail 81018 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Oct 2006 03:56:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HZl+uwNG5gc9EYVmTRH7T6MWTwUcKXd53fO4pX9Eef8PGzfe5PjGKj4QybJHqgEk9lLX3N5ZxTzWlcroT+lZKmiPwNJ7u9OI6agrF5oSPYNvci/r+/s/9rxNHTmVKQh2PnTw9Vv4Ed9xDtdh3uKevgPhMHdceAQeMuE+NymWOMs= ; Message-ID: <20061030035630.81016.qmail@web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Received: from [75.0.157.227] by web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:56:30 PST Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:56:30 -0800 (PST) From: Nathaniel Krause Subject: [lojban] Re: Wikipedia Interface in Lojban To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <925d17560610290919n68eab99fyf669c00193e16d63@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1640733867-1162180590=:80544" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-archive-position: 12821 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: nathanielkrause@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --0-1640733867-1162180590=:80544 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yes, we can request that Wikimedia change our logo. Actually, we had a request waiting unfulfilled for a long time that they alter it to make the letters lowercase, although I put this officially on hold a while back because there was, at the time, an active dispute about whether it should be written {uikipedias} or {uikipEdi,as}. So, I'm happy to poke someone in the System to try to actually get the logo changed, but let's make sure to have a consensus version of what we want to so we don't need to change it again (FYI, nobody seems to be pushing for {uikipEdi,as} anymore, so I guess {uikipedias} wins by acquiescence). The rest can be solved through normal editing (well, {stika}-{galfi} requires an admin). I did always think {fi'i do vi la .uikipedias.} sounded a bit odd. By the way, thanks to Yanis for translating the rest of the interface. Great work! Cheers, sen Jorge Llamb�as wrote: On 10/26/06, Yanis Batura wrote: > I have translated much more Lojban Wikipedia interface to Lojban than > it had been before (my question about "cancel" came from there...) Excellent! > Please take a look and give advice! > > http://jbo.wikipedia.org Would it be possible to change the inscription of the logo? {uikipedias po'u le zifre vricyjuncku} is ungrammatical Lojban, since {po'u} cannot attach to a bare cmevla. I would just use {uikipedias zifre vricyjuncku}, without unneeded cmavo. (And even if it was {la wikipedias}, {no'u} would be better than {po'u}. {no'u} links two sumti that refer to the same thing. {po'u} restricts the referents of the first sumti to those that are also referents of the second sumti. When both sumti have the same single referent, {po'u} is not strictly wrong, just misleading, as it suggests that the first sumti has many referents and that it needs to be restricted to just one or some of them.) There are also some pages with similarly ungrammatical names, such as {gligu'e cu jamna la zynzebar}. I would change the odd {fi'i do vi la uikipedias} to something more meaningful like {fi'i doi vitke be la uikipedias}. I prefer {stika} rather than {galfi} for "edit", because editing normally involves making adjustments to something, not changing something into something else. For example, if I edit the page named {lojban}, I am modifying the page named {lojban} by adding something to it or changing something in it, I am not turning the page named {lojban} into something that is no longer the page named {lojban}. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. --0-1640733867-1162180590=:80544 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yes, we can request that Wikimedia change our logo. Actually, we had a request waiting unfulfilled for a long time that they alter it to make the letters lowercase, although I put this officially on hold a while back because there was, at the time, an active dispute about whether it should be written {uikipedias} or {uikipEdi,as}. So, I'm happy to poke someone in the System to try to actually get the logo changed, but let's make sure to have a consensus version of what we want to so we don't need to change it again (FYI, nobody seems to be pushing for {uikipEdi,as} anymore, so I guess {uikipedias} wins by acquiescence).

The rest can be solved through normal editing (well, {stika}-{galfi} requires an admin). I did always think {fi'i do vi la .uikipedias.} sounded a bit odd.

By the way, thanks to Yanis for translating the rest of the interface. Great work!

Cheers,

sen

Jorge Llamb�as <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/26/06, Yanis Batura wrote:
> I have translated much more Lojban Wikipedia interface to Lojban than
> it had been before (my question about "cancel" came from there...)

Excellent!

> Please take a look and give advice!
>
> http://jbo.wikipedia.org

Would it be possible to change the inscription of the logo?
{uikipedias po'u le zifre vricyjuncku} is ungrammatical Lojban,
since {po'u} cannot attach to a bare cmevla. I would just use
{uikipedias zifre vricyjuncku}, without unneeded cmavo.

(And even if it was {la wikipedias}, {no'u} would be better than
{po'u}. {no'u} links two sumti that refer to the same thing. {po'u}
restricts the referents of the first sumti to those that are also
referents of the second sumti. When both sumti have the same
single referent, {po'u} is not strictly wrong, just misleading, as it
suggests that the first sumti has many referents and that it
needs to be restricted to just one or some of them.)

There are also some pages with similarly ungrammatical names,
such as {gligu'e cu jamna la zynzebar}.

I would change the odd {fi'i do vi la uikipedias} to something
more meaningful like {fi'i doi vitke be la uikipedias}.

I prefer {stika} rather than {galfi} for "edit", because editing normally
involves making adjustments to something, not changing something
into something else. For example, if I edit the page named {lojban},
I am modifying the page named {lojban} by adding something to it or
changing something in it, I am not turning the page named {lojban}
into something that is no longer the page named {lojban}.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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