From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Oct 31 00:37:37 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:37:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gep7X-00067y-FX for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:37:19 -0800 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.174]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gep7U-00067q-Ge for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:37:19 -0800 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so1378811ugr for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:37:15 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qDBGPmZzcbM9qCkrcqsaZGgV8R071UN6KxUc8Lrm4bND3UrURvsWwW70+pbHV4vLgB1ishiT8lhVt0djpiw+d3qleIsI8ER1Q68771mecm4wZwPTqcCu0hMueAFmUmn9eOP9NJ9KTcHjKkGGtcQJm9p6AQnCbHPZz+Pio1A8C2A= Received: by 10.78.201.8 with SMTP id y8mr6394560huf; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:37:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.124.16 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:37:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:37:14 -0500 From: "Andrii (lOkadin) Zvorygin" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Stress of the penultimate syllable In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2342_15692088.1162283834473" References: X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-archive-position: 12851 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: andrii.z@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list ------=_Part_2342_15692088.1162283834473 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline There is a third style of lojban, dotted-and-spaceless style mi'elOkadin..imiprAmiroda.ui.u'i.iu I guess I could just write like that, but it's slightly more difficult to understand than it is with spaces, If you were to write by hand, perhaps you would see the difference, on the contrary, your writing might be as nice as a font -- mine is not. computer parsing of text is much easier when it's standardized, and if you aren't using spaces, as they are optional, it becomes very unclear what is going on miklamalaparis.fulekarce.imicitkalogerkuzo'o becomes very difficult to understand. personally I really don't care how you do your lOjban, if you don't want to capitalize the penultimate syllable of your brIvla, by all means, if you at some future point do decide to however, I fully support you. If for no other reason than I will find it more legible. On 10/30/06, Alex Joseph Martini wrote: > > doi lokadin > > Perhaps it is easier to read for you, but it makes it very difficult to > read for me. There are, as I know, two major styles of writing normal > Lojban -- dotted and non-dotted. Dotted is like CLL uses, every > mandatory pause is dotted. Some folks (like xorxes) prefer to not write > in the dots since they are not needed when we write with spaces; which > we all do anyhow. > > Neither of these established styles allow capitals outside of cmene. For > comparison, think of accenting every polysyllabic word in English. Yes it > might serve a useful purpose, but it's not the accepted way to write > English. Lojban doesn't have any need for the accents because it's > always accented in the same place. > > Boiling it down, I don't like the accents on every word because it's not > needed, it's distracting, and none of the other text in the corpus or > baseline does it. > > pei? > > mu'omi'e aleks > > to la lokadin pu ciska de'i li 2006 pi'e 10 pi'e 30 toi > > mi rovu'upAmoi slAka bAsna .i ki'u la'edi'u sAmpu se jImpe mi > > > > There are actually three levels of stress --- primary, secondary, and > > weak. > >> [ li'o ] > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > -- ta'o(by the way) We With You Network at: http://lokiworld.org .i(and) more on Lojban: http://lojban.org mu'oimi'e lOkadin (Over, my name is lOkadin) ------=_Part_2342_15692088.1162283834473 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline There is a third style of lojban, dotted-and-spaceless style

mi'elOkadin..imiprAmiroda.ui.u'i.iu

I guess I could just write like that, but it's slightly more difficult to understand than it is with spaces,

If you were to write by hand, perhaps you would see the difference, on the contrary, your writing might be as nice as a font -- mine is not.

computer parsing of text is much easier when it's standardized, and if you aren't using spaces, as they are optional, it becomes very unclear what is going on

miklamalaparis.fulekarce.imicitkalogerkuzo'o

becomes very difficult to understand.

personally I really don't care how you do your lOjban,  if you don't want to capitalize the penultimate syllable of your brIvla, by all means, if you at some future point do decide to however, I fully support you. If for no other reason than I will  find it more legible.


On 10/30/06, Alex Joseph Martini <alexjm@umich.edu> wrote:
doi lokadin

Perhaps it is easier to read for you, but it makes it very difficult to
read for me. There are, as I know, two major styles of writing normal
Lojban -- dotted and non-dotted. Dotted is like CLL uses, every
mandatory pause is dotted. Some folks (like xorxes) prefer to not write
in the dots since they are not needed when we write with spaces; which
we all do anyhow.

Neither of these established styles allow capitals outside of cmene. For
comparison, think of accenting every polysyllabic word in English. Yes it
might serve a useful purpose, but it's not the accepted way to write
English. Lojban doesn't have any need for the accents because it's
always accented in the same place.

Boiling it down, I don't like the accents on every word because it's not
needed, it's distracting, and none of the other text in the corpus or
baseline does it.

pei?

mu'omi'e aleks

to la lokadin pu ciska de'i li 2006 pi'e 10 pi'e 30 toi
> mi rovu'upAmoi  slAka bAsna .i ki'u la'edi'u sAmpu se jImpe mi
>
> There are actually three levels of stress --- primary, secondary, and
> weak.
>> [ li'o ]


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