From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun Oct 22 19:39:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96646 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2006 02:38:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2006 02:38:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2006 02:38:54 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gbper-0006bs-EK for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:35:21 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GbpeL-0006aZ-Ej; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:34:55 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:34:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gbpdu-0006Zo-NV for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:34:22 -0700 Received: from fafnir.oit.pdx.edu ([131.252.120.58]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gbpdr-0006Zb-38 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:34:22 -0700 Received: from grerr.oit.pdx.edu (grerr.oit.pdx.edu [131.252.120.19]) by fafnir.oit.pdx.edu (8.13.3+/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9N2YGrH017402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:34:16 -0700 Received: from grerr.oit.pdx.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by grerr.oit.pdx.edu (8.13.3+/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9N2YG4V006481 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:34:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: grerr.oit.pdx.edu: Host localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1] claimed to be grerr.oit.pdx.edu Received: (from sec@localhost) by grerr.oit.pdx.edu (8.13.3+/8.13.1) id k9N2YF5m006480 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:34:15 -0700 Received: from c-24-22-28-147.hsd1.mn.comcast.net (c-24-22-28-147.hsd1.mn.comcast.net [24.22.28.147]) by webmail.pdx.edu (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:34:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1161570855.453c2a27e9252@webmail.pdx.edu> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 19:34:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 12777 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: keppel@pdx.edu X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0 X-eGroups-From: Ryan Keppel From: Ryan Keppel Reply-To: keppel@pdx.edu Subject: [lojban] Dropping the speech X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=Wv_327JPty0Xwz0KKlAGaEl0IS574d_dSrsS3-Z1mQDD5DFUdQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27214 .u'e In my explanation of a "binary lojban", what is important is not the "binary" part of it at all. At heart, it is about dropping the spoken portion of Lojban. I heard some of Lojban at work, and it is just fine. However, parts of the language have been made needlessly complicated in order to make it easier (or even feasible at all) to speak. As an apt analogy, look at the curly brackets {}. In Java, they are quite useful. However, they are not meant to be spoken. I have variously heard them as: "curly open", "curl open", "squiggly open". Someone has already written me, inquiring about such a project. I am not proposing to start one myself. I tried to look at putting together some sort of binary "natural" language, and found it quite involved. I think it is quite inevitable, especially as AI and transhumanism start to take hold. I do not see us talking English after the Singularity. I don't even see us talking Lojban. I don't see us talking at all! .uo fe'o To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.