From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Oct 16 18:10:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36095 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2006 01:07:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2006 01:07:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2006 01:07:06 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GZdPi-0005CH-5H for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:06:38 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GZdP4-0005Bp-Jp; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:06:02 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GZdOb-0005BY-Kq for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:05:29 -0700 Received: from eastrmmtao02.cox.net ([68.230.240.37]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GZdOY-0005BR-7q for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:05:29 -0700 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061017010525.PDTL10599.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:05:25 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([72.192.234.183]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id bD521V00z3y5FKc0000000 Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:05:04 -0400 Message-ID: <45342C50.8000308@lojban.org> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:05:20 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <948086157.20061017073147@mail.ru> In-Reply-To: <948086157.20061017073147@mail.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 12734 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Bob LeChevalier From: Bob LeChevalier Reply-To: lojbab@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Feudal Lords and Peasants X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=xVpCZ7SLOBxrwVYRycidQyosfbf0lgzGhnm8BA3YOh_9a2EYoQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27172 Yanis Batura wrote: > So. Feudalism is the time when peasants were economically dependant > (or dependent?) from local nobility, or even were their property. > > How to say "peasant"? We have x3 of {cange}, but that's "farmer" or > "rancher" -- and feudal peasants were not farmers or ranchers. > > Your opinions? tunse'u where they are tied to the land nolse'u where they are tied to a particular noble lazyse'u where they are tied to a particular family or clan selpo'ese'u for a slave, where the emphasis is on the ownership You can also introduce "non-free" in there, though I would do the opposite and use "free land-servant" for villein, since being bound to the land tended to be the default. I think the samurai were either soldier-servants or soldier-nobles; I can't remember which. lojbab To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.