From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Oct 27 07:01:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99814 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 13:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2006 13:57:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2006 13:57:56 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GdSAL-00016W-Mx for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 06:54:34 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GdS9Z-00014i-2Y; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 06:53:51 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 06:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GdS8i-00013l-1J for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 06:52:53 -0700 Received: from pi.meson.org ([66.134.26.207]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GdS86-000130-ET for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 06:52:32 -0700 Received: (qmail 22087 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 13:52:11 -0000 Received: from nagas.meson.org (HELO ?192.168.1.101?) (1000@192.168.1.101) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 27 Oct 2006 13:52:11 -0000 Message-ID: <45420F0B.1090706@kli.org> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:52:11 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1161922951.45418987bfc61@webmail.pdx.edu> In-Reply-To: <1161922951.45418987bfc61@webmail.pdx.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 12813 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mark@kli.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Mark E. Shoulson" From: "Mark E. Shoulson" Reply-To: mark@kli.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Gismu space? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=KAZvNOUu8uAoSM8bi3WtKfH5hGU6xkbhKBQKY1qYu3Na163NOQ X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27253 Ryan Keppel wrote: > coi ju'o zoi gy. Is gismu space as full as cmavo space? I notice that the gismu > list is very old. Certainly there have been suggestions about this. What is > most annoying is that certain very specific gismu, like cinfo (lion) exist. By > themselves, they are fine. However, the lack of needed words in science, math, > and technology makes it a shame. Maybe it's the transhumanist in me speaking. I > would hope that gismu (and cmavo) would reflect a move towards science and > technology. We should not have idiocy like Christianity elevated to gismu. > Maybe make is a fu'ivla "irrational suiciders" or something. .gy. .u'inai co'o > fe'o > Um. Second bullet-point under "What is Lojban?" on our own home page: "Lojban is designed to be culturally neutral." Or should we enshrine other prejudices in our vocabulary? Maybe we should use cmene like "kaik" and "spik" instead of xebro and xispo. Don't make assumptions based on support for Lojban. Strange at it may seem, not every Lojbanist is necessarily an atheist, transhumanist, futurist, or anything in particular. Don't impose your cultural biases on our forward-looking neutral language. ~mark No, I'm not Christian, but I am Jewish, and so I know how dangerous it is to replace things like, say, "Jews" with "parasitical untermenschen that need to be exterminated." To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.