From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Oct 14 21:28:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6571 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2006 04:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2006 04:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2006 04:27:50 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GYxbH-0007bf-My for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:27:47 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GYxa0-0007an-Uh; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:26:30 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:26:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GYxZW-0007aM-5j for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:25:58 -0700 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GYxZR-0007Zm-Fw for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:25:57 -0700 Received: from [192.168.25.19] (unknown [192.168.25.19]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86CABCE798 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 00:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 00:25:29 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200610131230.01748.phma@phma.optus.nu> <200610140231.51016.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4530A5B8.1010703@lojban.org> In-Reply-To: <4530A5B8.1010703@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610150025.30764.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-archive-position: 12717 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Pierre Abbat From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@phma.optus.nu Subject: [lojban] Re: round numbers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=wb8JYY2PyvGevkxSn9ukbPt7WpwvmeTWzN-wbK6LMxdMkwpz4g X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27154 On Saturday 14 October 2006 04:54, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > There is no requirement that lujvo have only two components, nor that > they have few syllables, especially for an esoteric word used only in > very limited fields. I would go so far as to say that it is unLojbanic > to do so. Zipf's law says that COMMON words tend to be short, and > uncommon words are LONG. I cannot imagine a language where a word for > "complex numbers" or "round numbers" is such a common concept deserving > to be a single short word. Complex numbers are not used everywhere, but by no means are they esoteric. Elliptic curve groups and p-adic numbers are esoteric. And round numbers and rounding are used by everyone - if you see at the store a 527-gram box of pasta for $2.37 and compute the number of cents per gram, you will round it. > Now you seem to be talking about a different sense of round number. I > think we have two concepts. One is the number you get by rounding off, > which need not be a power of 10, and is the meaning I think Nora was > referring to. You are talking about numbers that are integral exponents > of base 10, which using your reasoning could be integral exponents of > base n, where n is one of the places. No I am not. I am talking about numbers whose prime factors are all 2, 3, 5, and maybe 7. It's a relative term; one number is more round than another, but I don't divide the numbers into the round and the unround. I've invented an unroundness metric; 2048 is about as round as 10. 864 and 540 are also round. phma To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.