From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Oct 30 01:17:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13158 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2006 09:14:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2006 09:14:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2006 09:14:30 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GeTDt-0002W6-9L for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:14:25 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GeTDG-0002Tw-JS; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:13:48 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:13:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GeTCm-0002SV-WF for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:13:17 -0800 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GeTCi-0002SD-Si for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:13:16 -0800 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so1093998ugr for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:13:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.160.2 with SMTP id i2mr4517352hue; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:13:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.124.16 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:13:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 04:13:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_38234_1227653.1162199590943" References: X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-archive-position: 12832 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: andrii.z@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "Andrii (lOkadin) Zvorygin" From: "Andrii (lOkadin) Zvorygin" Reply-To: andrii.z@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Stress of the penUltimate syllable X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=fZxF8430-ScVO-PwyqJkL0JgWtwG41sj676QMjjqPjyKIlDBvg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27271 ------=_Part_38234_1227653.1162199590943 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline a'uni'o zoi .gy. I don't think "rovu'upAmoi" is mandatory to emphasize, It's not a brIvla, by the definition that calls for a double constanant within the first 5 letters, though it is a sElbri by definition of moi. .gy. .i .a'u xu lo da sElbri na.a lo da brIvla .i.io.i'osai ba se ckIre On 10/30/06, Andrii (lOkadin) Zvorygin wrote: > > mi rovu'upAmoi slAka bAsna .i ki'u la'edi'u sAmpu se jImpe mi > > There are actually three levels of stress --- primary, secondary, and > > weak. Weak stress is the lowest level, so it really means no stress at all. > > Weak stress is required for syllables containing ``y'', a syllabic > > consonant, or a buffer vowel. > > > > Primary stress is required on the penultimate syllable of Lojban content > > words (called ``brivla''). Lojbanized names may be stressed on any syllable, > > but if a syllable other than the penultimate is stressed, the syllable (or > > at least its vowel) must be capitalized in writing. Lojban structural words > > (called ``cmavo'') may be stressed on any syllable or none at all. However, > > primary stress may not be used in a syllable just preceding a brivla, unless > > a pause divides them; otherwise, the two words may run together. > > > > Secondary stress is the optional and non-distinctive emphasis used for > > other syllables besides those required to have either weak or primary > > stress. There are few rules governing secondary stress, which typically will > > follow a speaker's native language habits or preferences. Secondary stress > > can be used for contrast, or for emphasis of a point. Secondary stress can > > be emphasized at any level up to primary stress, although the speaker must > > not allow a false primary stress in brivla, since errors in word resolution > > could result. > > > Above quoted from Lojban Reference Grammar: Chapter 3: > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=195 > > All of us, at this point in time(2006 C.E.), have a native language other > than lOjban. Many times, such as with English, we do not emphasize the > pen-ultimate syllable, as a rule. > > If I am to read lOjban, without stress emphasis. I know that I will not > pronounce it in my mind properly emphasized. It's just too hard for me to > read, translate, and remmember that I need to emphasize the penultimate > syllable. > > Why am I concerned about which syllable I should stress? I intend on > speaking it. > > ko gAsnu lo du'u do djEci gi'e cUrmi lo du'u drAta > > -- > > ta'o(by the way) We With You Network at: http://lokiworld.org .i(and) > > more on Lojban: http://lojban.org > mu'oimi'e lOkadin (Over, my name is lOkadin) -- ta'o(by the way) We With You Network at: http://lokiworld.org .i(and) more on Lojban: http://lojban.org mu'oimi'e lOkadin (Over, my name is lOkadin) ------=_Part_38234_1227653.1162199590943 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline a'uni'o zoi .gy. I don't think "rovu'upAmoi" is mandatory to emphasize, It's not a brIvla, by the definition that calls for a double constanant within the first 5 letters, though it is a sElbri by definition of moi. .gy. .i .a'u xu lo da sElbri na.a lo da brIvla  .i.io.i'osai ba se ckIre


On 10/30/06, Andrii (lOkadin) Zvorygin <andrii.z@gmail.com> wrote:
mi rovu'upAmoi  slAka bAsna .i ki'u la'edi'u sAmpu se jImpe mi

There are actually three levels of stress --- primary, secondary, and weak. Weak stress is the lowest level, so it really means no stress at all. Weak stress is required for syllables containing ``y'', a syllabic consonant, or a buffer vowel.

Primary stress is required on the penultimate syllable of Lojban content words (called ``brivla''). Lojbanized names may be stressed on any syllable, but if a syllable other than the penultimate is stressed, the syllable (or at least its vowel) must be capitalized in writing. Lojban structural words (called ``cmavo'') may be stressed on any syllable or none at all. However, primary stress may not be used in a syllable just preceding a brivla, unless a pause divides them; otherwise, the two words may run together.

Secondary stress is the optional and non-distinctive emphasis used for other syllables besides those required to have either weak or primary stress. There are few rules governing secondary stress, which typically will follow a speaker's native language habits or preferences. Secondary stress can be used for contrast, or for emphasis of a point. Secondary stress can be emphasized at any level up to primary stress, although the speaker must not allow a false primary stress in brivla, since errors in word resolution could result.

Above quoted from Lojban Reference Grammar: Chapter 3: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=195

All of us, at this point in time(2006 C.E.), have a native language other than lOjban. Many times, such as with English, we do not emphasize the pen-ultimate syllable, as a rule.

If I am to read lOjban, without stress emphasis. I know that I will not pronounce it in my mind properly emphasized. It's just too hard for me to read, translate, and remmember that I need to emphasize the penultimate syllable.

Why am I concerned about which syllable I should stress? I intend on speaking it.

ko gAsnu lo du'u do djEci gi'e cUrmi lo du'u drAta

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