From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Oct 13 14:26:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74033 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2006 21:25:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2006 21:25:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2006 21:25:30 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GYUQC-0002xy-N2 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:18:24 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GYUOt-0002wW-Fl; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:17:07 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GYUOO-0002vw-VI for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:16:33 -0700 Received: from mx3.mail.ru ([194.67.23.149]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GYUOL-0002vk-NM for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:16:32 -0700 Received: from [84.204.201.22] (port=59819 helo=[10.15.28.10]) by mx3.mail.ru with asmtp id 1GYUOJ-000BzI-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:16:27 +0400 Message-ID: <4530022E.4010202@mail.ru> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:16:30 +0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200610131230.01748.phma@phma.optus.nu> <925d17560610131234v51af0cb1p7cd6d68a9c1b2511@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <925d17560610131234v51af0cb1p7cd6d68a9c1b2511@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-archive-position: 12701 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ratson@mail.ru X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Dmitry From: Dmitry Reply-To: ratson@mail.ru Subject: [lojban] Re: round numbers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=bxlPiWU9NQySnR3fRGnG5zltqAnWELCxNhCjH6ST0CSXJy9gow X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27138 Jorge Llambías wrote: >> There are two related meanings of "round numbers", neither of which has >> anything to do with round wheels: >> 1. Replace numbers with the closest multiples of some number. > > It seems to me that {cukla namcu} is the best choice. > Even though these numbers are not round in the same way that > wheels are round, "round" is not just accidental homonymy here. > (I suppose the metaphor is something like the numbers are filled > out or their edges softened so that they become simpler.) > What are round numbers called in Chinese, or in Swahili, or in > Quechua, for example? If they all use the same word they use > for wheels, then it would seem Lojban should do that too. If not, > then there might be an argument for having a specialized term in > Lojban. I am quite against such idea. Even if all the languages use the same (or similar) words both for describing numerical and geometrical roundness, it will not be a reason to use cukla namcu, because such suggestion will be against of ideas of Lojban. {cukla namcu} should mean "number of round/circular type". For me, it sounds like another name for {pai}, (3.141529...), number, that is definitely much more related to circles, than 0,10,20,.... My proposal for "round number" is pilji be li pano Ewww, that's 2 syllables longer than {cukla namcu}. But it much more reflects the nature of round number, doesn't it? Anyways, do not take my proposal too seriously. I am still a beginner, eternal beginner. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.