From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Nov 09 23:37:46 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 09 Nov 2006 23:37:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GiQx4-0007rx-9h for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 23:37:26 -0800 Received: from centrmmtao02.cox.net ([70.168.83.82]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GiQwy-0007rq-OL for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 23:37:26 -0800 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by centrmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061110073721.JOPS19547.centrmmtao02.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 02:37:21 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([72.192.234.183]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id kvcd1V00c3y5FKc0000000; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 02:36:39 -0500 Message-ID: <45542BC3.8080805@lojban.org> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 02:35:31 -0500 From: Bob LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: livejournal discrimination References: <2d3df92a0611061040o5b0781c0o3df414476a3e0b68@mail.gmail.com> <200611081049.40483.colin.wright@denbridgemarine.com> <45533464.7080901@lojban.org> <4553A799.5010907@lojban.org> <87y7qkw86u.fsf@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <87y7qkw86u.fsf@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 13035 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Timothy Hobbs wrote: > Stop! You are creating a rift in the community far more dangerous > than some harmless experimentation. No. I am trying to ensure that there is no rift. The argument over LOkadin's posting went on too long, bannered by the subject line indicating "discrimination", for me to consider it harmless. > You useless old fuddy duddy! %^) > You do not help the lojban community with your arguing. I didn't start the argument. I am trying to make sure it ends. > You say you branched loglan to create lojban, No. Lojban IS Loglan. I re-engineered the language after JCB asserted copyright authority and ownership of the language, and forbade language supporters from doing anything independently of his organization to promote the language, or to use the language freely. > if this is true than you should not discourage change at all. Wrong. The fundamental concept of Lojban engineering was to not change anything in JCB's language that wasn't necessary to change. Then, I adopted the "baseline" concept from systems development, so that when the design was complete, that change by "reformers" would not be allowed. > Now, stop being a disrespectful old prune I plead guilty. > that thinks that it is fine to discurage one of the few of us that > regularly writes more than 3 sentences of lojban. I am not discouraging anyone from writing any number of sentences of Lojban. I would strongly prefer that they write those sentences in a form which others in the community can and will read. > Just because your > inflexible hardly of human quality mind cannot adapt to the legle > variation of the language does not make someone who is attempting to > stay within those bounds non-conformist. Of course it does. Non-conformity can be perfectly legal, and still unwelcome. > And even if they are, THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY, THIS IS THE INTERNET! Of course it is. I'm not censoring anyone; nor have I called for censorship. LOkadin can continue what he is doing, and I won't try to stop him. I haven't even said that his usage makes his text "not valid Lojban"; I am not motivated to try to figure out whether it is. (I heartily approve of Robin's willingness to make the effort to read LOkadin and offer suggestions). But not trying to censor him does not mean I don't have the right to criticize. After all, "THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY, THIS IS THE INTERNET" applies to us disrespectful old prunes too. lojbab To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.