From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Nov 14 08:28:25 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:28:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gk18n-0004sl-7L for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:28:05 -0800 Received: from express.cec.wustl.edu ([128.252.21.16]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Gk18f-0004sc-NK for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:28:05 -0800 Received: from hive.cec.wustl.edu (hive.cec.wustl.edu [128.252.21.14]) by express.cec.wustl.edu (8.13.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id kAEGRtQM001351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:27:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from hive.cec.wustl.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hive.cec.wustl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kAEGRaAA000650; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:27:36 -0600 Received: from localhost (adam@localhost) by hive.cec.wustl.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id kAEGRaWm000647; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:27:36 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: hive.cec.wustl.edu: adam owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:27:36 -0600 (CST) From: "Adam D. Lopresto" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" rule In-Reply-To: <20061114010101.GW24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Message-ID: References: <20061113204805.48815.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4558E466.80006@lojban.org> <525A773F-A307-43AF-9603-3E18C02C42FA@mac.com> <20061113222348.GL24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <54928D3C-975A-48ED-BBCB-2FEE8811049C@mac.com> <20061114004132.GR24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20061114004524.GS24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <2674000D-22FA-4910-B27D-BEC4CED8E7AB@mac.com> <20061114010101.GW24729@chain.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 13162 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: adam@pubcrawler.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 07:55:52PM -0500, Robert McIvor wrote: > > > > No. In Loglan Hoi would be used only before a bare name (which > > could be a predicate or series of predicates e.g O Wild West > > Wind. What is the purpose of doi before an argument? > > I guess that that feature is to save people having to remember to > drop the {la} when greeting someone. I don't actually know. Well, the other purpose is that it allows any sumti (argument, whatever it is in loglan-speak) to apply to the vocative. So we can do things like {doi la .djan. joi la .bab.} to address several people, and use different gadri (articles), distinguishing between {doi le finpe} (addressing the fish), {doi lo finpe} (addressing some fish) and {doi la finpe} (addressing someone named Fish). It's my understanding that in lojban, {doi finpe} actually acts as shorthand for {doi le finpe}, the descriptive, and if you want to use the predicate as a name, you need the {la}. -- Adam Lopresto http://cec.wustl.edu/~adam/ Press any key to continue or any other key to quit. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.