From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun Nov 19 17:09:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38374 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2006 01:02:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2006 01:02:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2006 01:02:21 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GlxOt-0007Ds-OZ for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 16:52:43 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GlxLs-0007C6-Ml; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 16:49:44 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 19 Nov 2006 16:49:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GlxLJ-0007Bh-M0 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 16:49:01 -0800 Received: from eastrmmtao04.cox.net ([68.230.240.35]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GlxLE-0007BX-J2 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 16:49:01 -0800 Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061120004900.IWFU20226.eastrmmtao04.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 19:49:00 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([72.192.234.183]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id oonw1V0043y5FKc0000000; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 19:47:58 -0500 Message-ID: <4560FB73.5060706@lojban.org> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 19:48:51 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <492596e80611182014o7608f9d3k76f7247f5926b98b@mail.gmail.com> <1df90d2b0611182026yeb05a5eo95f815883cb20fd@mail.gmail.com> <836504149.20061119104734@mail.ru> In-Reply-To: <836504149.20061119104734@mail.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 13214 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Bob LeChevalier From: Bob LeChevalier Reply-To: lojbab@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: ki'a X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790; y=YGOKRjR_wmgb1xXSjjaTQ8RrAApycCcIJBftPwkY7dfExF5ZVg X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 27648 Yanis Batura wrote: > On 19.11.2006, 10:26, djancak wrote: > > >>lo'u pinpedi le'u na lujvo > > > {pinpedi} is a stage 4 fu'ivla, like {djirafa}, {alga}, {caxmati} etc. And is an example of why I am opposed to inventing stage 4 fu'ivla at this point in the language evolution - as we can see, no one has any idea what it means. A fu'ivla should remain a Type III - marked by a semantic-hint rafsi - until its usage is so common that usage (and/or Zipf's law) indicates a need for a shorter form. I don't think that any fu'ivla has received such usage. (Multiple usages by multiple speakers should generally be a minimum criterion, but it would depend on the types of usages - something written with the expectation of a large and lasting audience like Robin's novel or the translation of Alice in Wonderland is more likely to see its usages emulated by a large number of readers, and hence should receive earlier consideration for type IV fu'ivla.) lojbab To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.